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Betamax 10-12-2003 10:14 PM

Re: It's for your own good!

Betamax 10-12-2003 10:35 PM

Re: It's for your own good!
I don't understand how a gradiated licence system is tantamount to socialism. There's more irrational paranoia here than in a McCarthy hearing.

Currently, we have learner's licences which already entail some restrictions. Setting additional---temporary!---limits on such criteria as the displacement and/or weight of a motorcycle hardly amounts to the insidious socialist overthrow of the land of the free and the home of the brave.

One of the most difficult aspects of riding a powerful motorcycle is throttle control. Consequently, temporarily limiting the amount of horsepower available to the spastic throttle hands of newbie riders is a reasonable safety precaution, and not a threat to the inalienable rights of people to act like complete idiots.

captainwhoopass 10-13-2003 06:53 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
Do you have any idea how many times Biaggi crashed in those first two years? If he had done that on the road he'd be dead.

captainwhoopass 10-13-2003 06:55 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
I'm not sure about California, but you can do that in Illinois. It's not the responsibility of the dealer to make sure all the riders that buy bikes from him are licensed. He's not a police officer.

captainwhoopass 10-13-2003 06:58 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
No, but it does have enough power to propel itself down crowded streets at 130mph with marginal brakes and suspension.

Mollygrubber 10-13-2003 08:30 AM

Re: abe ... i wonder how you'd feel ....
Hear Hear, you said a mouthful there, bro. I'm not into the '1984' concept either, but so-called big brother is not always a bad thing. You can't expect people to regulate themselves en mass, especially when they are bitten by a testosterone infused bug like motorcycling. The 'sheep' will act like sheep, and choose poorly the majority of the time, based on limited experience.

Mollygrubber 10-13-2003 08:40 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
Hey, that's not a bad idea. Oh wait, it already exists in some form in Canada. It's called the Gas Guzzler tax. I say bring it on. I don't know about where you live, but here 95% (at least) of pickups and SUV's never ever see a dirt road or a heavy payload. They are like ridiculously wasteful jewellery for poseur idiots. Lets legislate 50mpg peanut cars for these people. (No, I don't work for Kia).

Mollygrubber 10-13-2003 08:45 AM

Re: It's for your own good!
Well done on arriving home in one piece. Say, are you so arrogant that you think smearing yourself all over the road only harms yourself? Wow, that's a big pair of blinders you ride with!

Seriously, I don't want to start a big fight here, but knowing what you know now, after all the road experience, training and track days, do you really think you were ready for that Gixxer???

Mollygrubber 10-13-2003 08:54 AM

Re: Give me the fact. i'll decide...
Oh, that's great. Here are the facts. Inexperienced riders do not know how to handle a motorcycle at highway speeds, let along extra-legal speeds. They don't even know what counter steering is! (I could tell you an embarrasing story here to illustrate my point, and I doubt I would be alone). They can have alot of fun, and learn a great deal on a small, lightweight, nimble bike. As soon as they are knowledgeable and comfortable on a small bike, they graduate to a big bike. Is that so restrictive? Plus, manufacturers have a fresh new market in place. Everyone wins. No jackboots, no stormtroopers.

Mollygrubber 10-13-2003 09:01 AM

Re: abe ... i wonder how you'd feel ....
You put that far more eloquently than I did, bravo. Some of these people should do some research on what 'socialism' is, BTW. And the 'qualified people' you mentioned wouldn't neccessarily be jack-booted government goons, they might be highly experienced riders, who happen to work in government, and are interested in making motorcycling safer. Not less fun.

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