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Old 10-11-2003, 08:44 AM   #121
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Default Why not?

if you pass your passenger vehical test in a corolla, what makes you think you can handle a Fully loaded SUV? You have to have a special permit in the military to drive anything over 5 tons, and there are more than a few SUV's and large pickups that exceed that GVW.



People hop in one of those 10,000 monsters and don't realize they have about twice the weight with out twice as good handling, brakes, etc.



If the states don't regulate it, I wouldn't mind insurance companies taking up the regins. You choose to drive a 10k lb vehical? Well then you also assume the risk and liability that comes with it. Yes, an SUV DOES do more property damage than say a camrey. Kenitic energy can be a ***** like that.
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Old 10-11-2003, 09:08 AM   #122
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

In South Africa the driving age is 18 (so is the drinking age, for that matter). You can get a license at 16, but it's like a learner's permit in that you must have a licensed adult driver with you to drive an automobile. You can ride motorcycles, but only 50cc or below. Once you are 18, you can ride any size. It's a good system.



The motorcycle test here in California is a joke. You can even buy a motorcycle and ride it home even if you don't have a permit!
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Old 10-11-2003, 09:15 AM   #123
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Default Re: Finally. common sense is found to be uncommon

I saw a Bandit 400 yesterday. Honda used to make a CB400, and Yamaha with their FZ400. 400cc sport bikes have never been big sellers here in the states.
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Old 10-11-2003, 03:07 PM   #124
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Default Re: abe ... i wonder how you'd feel ....

So should we get rid of licensing all together? Get rid of the drinking age, give everyone the choice to do or not do drugs, to go or not go to school. We could even get rid of four way stops and stoplights too and just trust everyone to look both ways and go when it's their turn.



The world is not exactly bursting at the seams with people who make great decisions and respect others. Every parent can and should but every parent doesn't and won't restrict their children with good judgment. What about free will? Kids could have parents that make Cliff Huckstable look dysfunctional and they will still make bad decisions. And, it is not just kids screwing things up it is adults too who donÂ’t answer to anyone but them self. It's because of these lapses of good judgment, that occur far to frequently, that certain laws need to be passed and certain restrictions put in place.



I am an avid supporter of- to sound like a cliché- the right to bear arms- even carry a concealed weapon. But I also believe before someone is allowed to do those things they should have to pass a fire arms safety course, be licensed, and show a history of being sound of mind (yes, I know, a very subjective measurement). Same with a motorcycle. The current drivers test for getting your motorcycle license is sub par. Why should someone have to go to driving school for a car and not a motorcycle? If one makes sense the other does by similarity. The fact that you can take a motorcycle off the lot (at least in Illinois) without having to show proof of a motorcycle license is a joke.



And for the person that said something to the effect of "I drove my GSXR1000 off the lot with 1/2 hours experience and I'm a track racer now and never hurt anyone". I can quote someone who did wreck and hurt someone or them self for every person that has a story like yours. Have you read in the sports page about Jason Williams of the Bulls (maybe formerly of the Bulls now)? I don't support a law that would, say, limit manufacturers to making bikes 750cc or less. I like the speed and performance too. But it doesn't mean a non-experienced rider (young or old) should have the option to buy a liter class sports bike just because he/she could answer 17 out of 20 questions right and ride between a couple orange cones.



It takes common sense to know when those rules and laws are abusive and when they are needed. Before one is put in to effect it should be debated and researched (by qualified people) to see if it servers a need and structured in a way to address that need. It doesn't make you a socialist because you ask for rules and laws to keep order. The trick is finding the middle ground of what is intrusive and restricting and what is reasonable and fair.
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Old 10-11-2003, 04:46 PM   #125
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Default Training! Training! Training! like Longride said. and Fog city review.

I have to agree with longride on this one. I am surprised Canadian provinces don't require the MSF course. Washington State has a pretty good model. You have two options.

Take a written and a riding test at the DMV or

take the MSF course which you must past and then take the written at the DMV. The flunk out rate was about 15% for the MSF class I was in. I heard the DMV riding test has a much higher flunk out rate. I also took the expreinced riders class. I plan to take it every 3 years. I have trouble with a restricted CC thing since I started on a 600cc superport (2001 ZX-6R). 15,000 miles latter I am still riding and giving Buz, Suzy and Longride a hard time



By the way recently installed a Fog City HYPER OPTIKS onto my visor, works like a charm

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Old 10-11-2003, 04:47 PM   #126
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Now that is funny good one
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Old 10-11-2003, 04:52 PM   #127
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The old geezer who raced me on his sportster who latter wrecked was over his head and did #1. big time.

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Old 10-11-2003, 04:58 PM   #128
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Agree totally with your proactive approach.. I plan to take the experience class every 3 years. Maybe a proficiency exam every 3 years should be required?
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Old 10-11-2003, 05:37 PM   #129
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Default Re: It's for your own good!

Really? I don't think you can--not off the lot of a licensed dealer, unless I'm mistaken. I know a couple of friends that had to have their bikes ridden home by a licensed rider-- A Gixxer 750 and a 929rr (both of them had little, if any, experience on bikes).



Both of them have totalled their bikes and don't ride anymore.
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Old 10-12-2003, 06:36 AM   #130
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Default Re: abe ... i wonder how you'd feel ....

I am an avid supporter of- to sound like a cliché- the right to bear arms- even carry a concealed weapon. But I also believe before someone is allowed to do those things they should have to pass a fire arms safety course, be licensed, and show a history of being sound of mind[.]



I am an avid supporter of- to sound like a cliché- the right to freedom of speech, freedom of peacable assembly, even freedom of religion. But I also believe before someone is allowed to do those things they should have to pass a free speech safety course, be licensed, and show a history of being sound of mind.



Of course, the right to carry a firearm is a constitutionally guaranteed one, whereas liter-class sportbikes, I believe, didn't make it in. (Some claim under the 9th and 10th could be made, and I'm generally one for giving those two as much leeway as possible, but I'm not sure even they fit this case. I could probably be pretty easily convinced.) Amusing really, I seem to end up in a large number of groups that are misconstrued as highly dangerous because of the actions of a few members.



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