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Old 06-18-2003, 09:53 AM   #51
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Hurt feelings I'm talking about people losing money property, or being hurt through no fault of their own.
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Old 06-18-2003, 09:57 AM   #52
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Who pays if you crash and not only can't work but are a vegetable because you're brain got scrambled? Have you ever ridden a track day? Do you can on one of your long oraties when they tell you that you and everyone riding has to wear protective gear.
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:07 AM   #53
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Same person pays if I crash in my car and my brain gets scrambled or I wore my helmet and became a quad. I think Jerry Nadeau got his brain scrambled at a track, and he was wearing a helmet in a car. Who pays for him? Tracks are private entities that can make any rules they like. They fall under the private domain, just as golf clubs can regulate who can be a member and who can't. So, to sum it up, tracks can make their own rules because they are in the private domain, so they can do things like exclude Blacks and women legally. Get that point? With me so far? Next, the person that pays for me getting hurt is the same one that pays if I get injured in a car crash or even if I have my helmet on and bite it on a bike. Since I pay insurance for that coverage, it's of no consequence to you which way I get injured. I really think you need to re-think your position, as it seems you are grasping at straws.
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:22 AM   #54
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I've comprehended everything you and longride have said but apparently you are think you opinions and beliefs can only be the right one. If you wreck and can't work someone other than you pays. If you are hurt bad enough someone else has to take care of might be someone who has never ridden a motorcycle and thinks that they are too dangerous. Do I think the government should take away our riding privileges, nope, should the government, in this case PA state legislature pass a law that means some people who a probably new to the sport have to take a little extra precautions along with the few people that are experienced streetriders that fit into this group because it is far too unrealistic to take every individual rider on a case by case basis, yep. Am I going to write any politicians one way or the other, nope, it's really not a big enough deal to me either way. Would I write if they tried to make motorcycles illegal, like they did with three wheelers years back, or tried to instituted hp restriction like they have in France, hell yes I would. Do I pick my battles and not make a ruckus over every little thing, yes, why, so when I do speak up and have something that I truely feel is important to say I am much more likely to be heard because the other person isn't worn out from all of my whining.
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:22 AM   #55
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Actually, if I remember my 4th grade math correctly, I think it would be 0.1% (not 1%) of the time the the "Godfather of Soul" rides without a helmet. Pretty cool that James Brown posts here, huh?



(Just given you a little good-natured crap)



I do understand James Brown's viewpoint -- I wear a helmet 100% of the time that I ride any 2 wheeled vehicle (as well as when I ski) but I fully support the right to chose otherwise. I also support the right of Iranian women to appear in public without wearing chadors, the right of gay and lesbian couples to marry, and lots of other "rights" that do not really effect me personally. I also am concerned about many issues that DO effect me.



Being the self-centered sod that I am, I am most concerned with those issues that effect me personnaly, followed by those that effect others who are closest to me. After that, I have to look at the relative degree of injustice. To me, Iranian women being forced to wear the chador is a greater injustice than PA motorcyclists being forced to wear helmets.



Like our friend James Brown, I will vote against helmet laws, etc, but I simply do not have time or energy to tilt against ALL the windmills out there.



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Old 06-18-2003, 10:24 AM   #56
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So what makes you think a helmet would have made a difference in your Grandfathers accident? Can you guarentee that he would not have suffered the same fate?
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:28 AM   #57
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lookin like it. I guess some people never get tired of saying the same thing.
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:30 AM   #58
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Hey, he IS the hardest workin' man in show business! Mr. Excitement, Mr. Dynamite.......
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:38 AM   #59
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Sorry, I thought you were referring back to grandmother watching grandfather die.



Okay, here's my last post on the subject. We have two completely opposite views of what a government is supposed to do. My feeling is that what was laid out in the constitution is what we should have--the gov't protects people from one another, and leaves you alone to sink or swim on your own. Yes, this has changed over the years and through necessity government powers have broadened, but they've gone too far. There should be (in my mind) environmental laws, which were not forseen at the time the constitution was framed. This falls under protecting us from one another. It seems that you feel the government has a big box of rights, and gives them to us occasionally when it thinks we've been good boys and girls. The fathers of this country (Whoops! My political incorrectness is showing!) felt that the people had all the rights, and had to, by their consent, give up some of those rights on a piece-by-piece basis in order to get along. That is, we must be willing to give up the right to drink and drive, in order to maintain society. Seems that if such a thing didn't exist, all of us here today would vote in favor of such a thing, right? Anyhow, the important thing is that the rights flow from the people to the government, and not vice-versa. That is the gist of the 10th amendment, that you don't have to wait for the government to grant you permission to ride a motorcycle. It is your right until such time as legislators decide that it is pushing up insurance costs too much. Now, using my philosophy as a basis, I would point out that if I were riding a motorcycle with or without a helmet, or walking down the street, or sitting in my living room, and I got struck by a car, I would prefer that the government not get involved in the health care aspects. I don't think that's what the government is for. Vehicular laws should be used to punish the driver, and I could bring civil suit against him or his family, because he is responsible. Many people of a liberal bent feel that since we already have X laws on the books where the government provides money and services, X+1 laws is better, then X+2 laws, etc. Government payments for health care are a bad move, and using the that bad move as a foundation for more bad laws is...well...bad.
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Old 06-18-2003, 10:39 AM   #60
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First off, ride without a helmet, no skin off my nose.

point B, have enough insurance to make sure no one else has to take on the burden of your injuries, and make sure the insurance covers motorcycle related accedents (this is called being responsible for your own d*mm self).

On more thing (not stiring the pot, just curious).

What system do yous guys who hate taxes (not that I love them), propose to replace it. Every system I have heard of either send us to anarchy, economic ruin, or double the actual taxes that I pay (being a low paid workin slob).

Just curious, not searchin for a flame war.
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