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Old 04-01-2003, 12:14 PM   #21
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I guess I just never viewed the VMax as a cruiser. It's kind of its own godzilla-type motorcycle.



He was describing more chopperesque cycles that were catching his eye.
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Old 04-01-2003, 12:17 PM   #22
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V-Max would be a good choice, for butt loads of power, or if you want about the most fun you can have dressed, get an older Sporty with cast wheels, upgrade to progressive suspension and some good Metzler ME99's or ME55's a nice leather seat and drag pipes and have a ball!
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Old 04-01-2003, 01:46 PM   #23
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A lot of the guys here are saying V-Max, and while the motor is as funky as the jam in your toes, it is the embodiment of a bike whose motor totally outguns the chassis and suspension.



After the comparatively tight chassis of the SV, you could be in for a shock.



One other issue to consider: even if you're a handy wrench, and enjoy it, water-pumpers add a pain-in-the-neck factor that you may not want in the bike that is supposed to be relaxing, at least until you step on the gas.

If you go for easy upgradability, think strongly about air-cooled. Which, if you do, rules out the Hondas, Kawis, and the V-Max. But Yamaha's V-star line are air-cooled, but with overhead cams, so that's one decent option. And a little secret is that an 1100 V-Star (really a reborn Virago) sounds just as nice as most Harley Big Twins with a pipe, and the aftermarket is getting there (at least in part because it's easier for the aftermarket to design and execute parts for the simpler, air-cooled engines.)



I'd have to go with the Sporty 883.

No bike, NO BIKE, has a broader or deeper aftermarket that the Sporty, not even H-Ds big twins. It has basically been around since 1957. Are you kidding me?!



120" top-fuel drag motors are more often seen based on the Sporty model than on the big twins. Why? Cams, that's why.

Four cams with very straight paths to the rockers.



Anyway, another little secret is that while the 883 is about $3000 less than the Sporty 1200, it costs only about $1000 to have a dealer plug a 1200 kit into the existing 883.

And a third little secret is that you don't get the "standard" 1200 kit to put in, you get the Thunderstorm heads from Buell. Big Powah!

And since the 883 is geared slightly shorter than the 1200, you get quicker take-offs and more juice down low, where you say you want it.



And if you want to change the gearing any further, it's a lot easier to do that on a belt-driven bike (Sporty) for which alternate pully sizes are available (or you can convert to chain drive pretty easily, too). Most of the other bikes mentioned are shafties, which are

a) heavy

b) sap power,

c) somewhat more problematic to customize for looks or gearing changes.



Dude, you can get an exaust-driven turbo for a Sportster. That puts it in a class with basically the Gold Wing/Valkyrie, and the V-Max. But then you can get suspension from Penske, Ohlins, Fox, White Bros., or Progressive. No one makes a wider variety of pipes for another bike than the H-D.



Sportsters are rat bikes and survival bikes, they are touring bikes (yes!) and boulevard choppers and sport-cruisers, they are show bikes and everyday commuters.



So for the broadest options, ease of upgradability, and great chance of "long love affair" I'd say go with the Sporty.



Plus, then you can paint it orange, write the numbers on the side, slide across the tank and yes, you can even get the loudest dixie horn in all of Hazzard County (some company in Geogia makes loud-as$ truck/train horns with small on-board compressors Harleys for conspicuity, and they offer a small computer-type-thingy that will play tunes.)



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Old 04-01-2003, 02:21 PM   #24
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Used Magnas are dirt cheap. I have one and I know that I'm not going to get much for it even though it is in perfect condition.
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Old 04-01-2003, 02:36 PM   #25
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I hear a lot of people ***** about the handling of the V-Max but you really need to ride one for yourself before you make the decision- you will find that it is nowhere near as bad as people say, and is actually better than some newer cruisers. For me, the embodiment of a too-big-motor-for-the-chassis is not the V-Max, but the V65 Magna or maybe an H1 or H2 Kawasaki, (all 3 of which are deathtraps and should be avoided, trust me). Anyway, I've seen Yamaha offering demos at some events on V-maxes, or you might be able to get a dealer to let you ride a used one.



As for the aftermarket, you can get more power out of a V-Max ( up to about 300 or so) for less money than any other bike I can think of other than a GSX-R1100. 1500cc big bore kits, turbos, nitrous, supercharging, chain drive conversion kits, different wheels, brakes, forks, shocks, swingarms, 250 rear tire kits,- the aftermarket for a V-Max really has to be seen to be appreciated. Check out European vendors in particular, they seem to have a penchant for wild custom Maxes.



Also, as good as a Harley sounds, it's a rock in a tin can compared to a V-Max with a good set of pipes on it. Supertrapps or Cobras (yes, Cobras, even though their quality is usually sh1t) seem to have the best sound... very similar to a 60's musclecar with high-lift cams.



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Old 04-01-2003, 02:38 PM   #26
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Yeah, I guess it does depend on your definition- the V-Max is almost in a class by itself, and it's a matter of debate whether it's actually a cruiser or not.
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Old 04-01-2003, 04:10 PM   #27
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No they aren't. Over 8k for 98s with 17+Kmiles.
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Old 04-01-2003, 04:18 PM   #28
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and you can use it to mix paint. The Sportster shakes likes it's trying to fling itself apart. I considered buying one till I sat on one and started it up. Until then, I thought that the criticisms about it shaking were overblown; then I learned that they were all too true.



The Sportster was fine for 1957, but there have been a few improvements in motorcycle design in the last 46 years...
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Old 04-01-2003, 04:36 PM   #29
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You say you want a "chopper type cruiser" with "low-down funk (aka torque)" for "4-5 grand".



So the V-Max is out, and so is the Magna. So are newer bikes like the Warrior and Mean Streak.



Compared to the SV, cruisers handle like whales, so (as someone else posted above), think about cornering ability if you want to make like Bo and Luke Duke.



The Honda Sabre 1100 and Shadow Spirit 1100 are worth considering. They have decent power and torque, and corner relatively well.



You might also consider the Yamaha V-Star 1100 series.



And, if all else fails, consider the Sportster. It has some of what you're looking for and corners very well for a cruiser...but it'll take expensive upgrades to get more power and it will always, always, shake like a MOfo. Be prepared to lose some bolts and a few fillings.
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Old 04-01-2003, 05:14 PM   #30
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8k my ass. They list for $7499, and that's fresh out of the crate '03s, carry overs are cheaper yet. I'd be lucky to get 3k for my cherry '94 with 28,xxx miles. If Magnas are appreciating it is news to me.
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