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Old 01-28-2003, 10:28 AM   #1
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Too bad, but I saw it coming.



As some of us here were saying a few weeks back, introducing a new motorcycle company is a huge endeavor even for a large, established company (eg Polaris) with access to capital and manufacturing technology.



I have to believe that the size of the market for high-end 4-stroke dirt bikes is sufficiently small that it would have been a real uphill battle for even a really well funded venture. ATK seems to be making it work,although I have no idea of how financially successful they are with it. They also outsource motors to Rotax, which cuts their own exposure.



Possibly if they had actually been able to get bikes to market when originally planned (when the dotcom and high tech boom created enough paper millionaires in the market for high-end toys) they might have had a shot.



Too bad, they had some really innovative ideas.



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Old 01-28-2003, 12:45 PM   #2
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right on the money, bob. you would think that someone on the management team would have known better.
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Old 01-28-2003, 02:26 PM   #3
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Oh come on, we all know how bad everyone needs a $12,000 Quad or $10,000 dirt bike...



I just hope I can still get rebuild kits for my Moto 120 downhill forks in the future. (Mountain bike)
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Old 01-28-2003, 02:39 PM   #4
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It seems to be a modern business maxim that a failure to be constantly expanding is tantamount to total failure of the company. In reaction to that badly flawed business maxim, companies in stable markets with loyal customers are often all too desperate to bet the entire company on poorly chosen acquisitions or a risky entry into markets far from their core competencies.



Double digit revenue growth every year is not an achievable goal. Pursuing that goal at all costs will literally cost it all. Staying "totally safe" while markets shift around you won't win the race either (Norton vs. 3M), but when I saw a Cannondale sticker on a dirt bike, I admired the Ohlins shocks and then shook my head in dismay.



Venture capitalists are the worst of this kind of decision maker, but there are plenty of fresh faced MBA's in the world who have been convinced that lack of constant growth equals death. One wonders how many negative case studies they would have to see before considering the broader view.



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Old 01-28-2003, 03:30 PM   #5
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"In reaction to that badly flawed business maxim, companies in stable markets with loyal customers are often all too desperate to bet the entire company on poorly chosen acquisitions or a risky entry into markets far from their core competencies."



I guess you just summed up in a nutshell why Harley isn't making sportbikes. Next person that asks, I will show them this.
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Old 01-28-2003, 03:55 PM   #6
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Harely is making sportbikes. It owns Buell doesn't it?
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Old 01-28-2003, 05:20 PM   #7
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An unwarranted, aggressive attack against people who haven't said squat in this post. You taking lessons from KPaul?



Longride, I think what you aren't realizing is that 90% of the people who want Harley to make a sportbike want them to because they would LIKE TO OWN A HARLEY SPORTBIKE.



Sportbike mafia guys like to pose just as much as cruiser riders, and would forgive a little softer performance (a la Ducati) as long as there were redeeming benefits to the design (Ducati's chassis stability and nearly flawless HP and torque curves). Most people would be happy to buy a Buell, if it said Harley Davidson on the side and had an engine, not a boat anchor, in the middle. The xb9r is a masterpiece of high tech engineering and innovative design with an engine so old that Fred Flintstone would question it's age. That's why it's not being purchaced.



Can anyone here imagine a Firebolt with the engine from a Superhawk or R6? Can anyone imagine an xb9r with a 998 knockoff inside?Holy cats, you wouldn't have to train salesmen, you could pluck homeless people off of alleys for salesmen and people would buy it.



Do you remember the VR1000, and how people here were so sad when they called it quits? That's because everyone wanted the pride of having an American bike on top of the podium.



Besides, I saw pics of a V-Rod engined standard that looked a lot like a monster about a year ago, with rumormill saying Harley was looking at ideas. Why not? I'd buy it, especially considering that the V-Rod engine is proven and hasn't had any recalls. That is, if I could cough up the cash...



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Old 01-28-2003, 05:23 PM   #8
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Forgot to add onto the end: KPaul, don't take offense at my post...you have done nothing wrong for like a week. All your posts have been reasonable and well thought out recently. Thank you for making my life easy! =)



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Old 01-28-2003, 05:52 PM   #9
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That's too darn bad. I friend of mine runs a little motorcycle shop. He just got a Cannondale dealership this past year. I wonder how the dealers will fair in the end?



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Old 01-28-2003, 08:31 PM   #10
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I think you hit the nail on the head, I'd love to have a performance oriented Harley, as it is when I'm in the market for a touring/cruiser, I'll buy a Road Glide, but it would be nice to have a Harley that was more of a sport standard, other than the 1200 Sportster Sport, Dyna Superglide sport, or V-rod, there really isn't anything, and none of those really fit the bill as an alternative to the Speed Triple, or Bandit or Z-REX. The XLCR was cool as hell, but they made them for what? one year? I know "Harley sells every bike they make, if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand," blah blah blah, but really, they're missing a market here, I don't really want a full-on sports bike anymore, but a cruiser is not going to work for me either, Buell's are neat, but I'm concerned about their reliability record, Harley wouldn't have to beat the Japanese or European bikes, but something along similar lines would be a good alternative.
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