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Old 07-16-2009, 01:27 PM   #11
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Sorry, but Unions have their place. They are a balance against many worker abuses. Most, if not all the worker benefits you personally enjoy today were brought about by Unions. That is a fact. As far as I know all the credit, banking, and loan companies aren't Union, and they got bigger bailouts than GM did. Wonder how that happened? I guess no Union to blame those failures on? Nope. How did they fail then? same reason GM and Chrysler did. Greed.

Anyway, the Gov healthcare fiasco will be just that. They can't even run themselves, yet continue to want to run everything else. Ron Paul had a good one today. He said he wants the best and most affordable healthcare available.....which is why he wants the Gov completely out of it! Truer words were never spoken. Obamalama is dertermined to spend us into oblivion, while screwing everything up all at once. Well, at least it's 'Change'!
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:36 PM   #12
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As far as I know all the credit, banking, and loan companies aren't Union, and they got bigger bailouts than GM did.
Yeah, I don't quite "get" the brough-ha-hah over givin' loans to GM and Chrysler (which I read in the paper yestidday that Chrysler Credit just paid-off the $1.5B they borrowed!), yet we bail out Citicorp THREE ****ING TIMES and nobody hardly bats an eye..........

(Not that I'm FOR bailing-out the car companies - and I'm more than a tiny-bit cheesed about the way they screwed everybody BUT the Unions in the blackmai... I mean: Bankruptcy cases.......)
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:39 PM   #13
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Sorry, but Unions have their place. They are a balance against many worker abuses. Most, if not all the worker benefits you personally enjoy today were brought about by Unions. That is a fact. As far as I know all the credit, banking, and loan companies aren't Union, and they got bigger bailouts than GM did. Wonder how that happened? I guess no Union to blame those failures on? Nope. How did they fail then? same reason GM and Chrysler did. Greed.

Anyway, the Gov healthcare fiasco will be just that. They can't even run themselves, yet continue to want to run everything else. Ron Paul had a good one today. He said he wants the best and most affordable healthcare available.....which is why he wants the Gov completely out of it! Truer words were never spoken. Obamalama is dertermined to spend us into oblivion, while screwing everything up all at once. Well, at least it's 'Change'!
I just think it's misplaced to compare the unions of the late 19th century to today's bloated fat cats, many of whom earn more than CEOs.

Zero's approval rating, once again, is lower then Bush's was at the same time in his Presidency. See how beneficial it is to Obamalama to have a running dog press? Unemployment skyrocketing and Obamalama boldfacedly lying about how the "stimulus" package is working just like he intended? LOL! How do people defend him with a straight face? I bet all those laid off HD employees vote Democrat again. LOL!
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:11 PM   #14
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When I worked for Emery Customs Brokers LAX there were with the Teamsters out of Chicago, Steve Tortelli was the rep. When I got laid off after working about a year, the teamsters had forgotten to take my dues out, and my final paycheck was $25.00.

The unions can kiss my a$$. A bunch of crooked bastards.
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:32 PM   #15
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Ill agree with cuddy here, Sorry but the unions HAD a place they dont any longer, abolish unions in the united states, start over. The public transportation here are paying their bus drives $90K a year?!?!!? ok remember, where i live $30 is good money, $46K is the average middle class family income and $40-$50K CAN buy a 3 bedroom house....

So why are they paying then $90k? oh any giving them Health care for life?! WHAT THE HELL!? oh and theyre going bankrupt, raising fairs (up to $2, it was a dollar like 4 years ago). no there is no place for unions there. and its actually the goverments fault, we had 3 privatly owned transit companies back in the 60s and 70s and the goverment bought them all up and made one, witha union! wonderful!... stupid unions.
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:34 PM   #16
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Zero's approval rating, once again, is lower then Bush's was at the same time in his Presidency.
An utterly meaningless comparison. Bush hadn't had enough time to totally fu<k things up yet, and Obama is still buried in the mess left after he did. Let's compare approval ratings at or near the end of the first term.
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An utterly meaningless comparison. Bush hadn't had enough time to totally fu<k things up yet, and Obama is still buried in the mess left after he did. Let's compare approval ratings at or near the end of the first term.
Apparently Bush's rating wasn't all that bad - he got re-elected.

Oh wait! The Village Idiot pulled an Evil Genius outta his ass and STOLE that Election...............
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:07 PM   #18
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Wow, sounds like our pending bart strike. They have pensions after 50 and life time health benefits but they are looking to strike. Thats after fare raise after fare raise. My wife and I pay over $20 a day to get to work and back. Many of the train "drivers" (mostly automated) make over $100k with OT. Gov unions are nothing but theft from the tax payers. They are ready to lock out 300,000+ daily riders that pay their salaries.


Yes unions got the laws on the books that we all take for granted. But when you have to give everyone the same size raise no matter their job performance thats the Socialism you guys are screaming is so evil. So in essence LR's union support is a cry for socialism. Who'd a thunk?
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"So in essence LR's union support is a cry for socialism"

No it actually isn't. But if that is what you think it is, then go ahead. I never once could stop a good train wreck. America had never been pure capitalism from day one. It was always a mix, which is what I said it should be. It's called checks and balances.


"But when you have to give everyone the same size raise no matter their job performance thats the Socialism you guys are screaming is so evil. "

No it really isn't socialism. It just insures that workers are treated equally and compensated equally under the same set of rules. The ones that benefited the most from Union rules were minorities, who were always paid less and laid off first going all the way back to the Civil War. Ask them how raises and promotions went before Unions.

"Yes unions got the laws on the books that we all take for granted."

Yes they did.
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:56 PM   #20
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"Let's compare approval ratings at or near the end of the first term."

I have a real bad feeling that you aren't going to want to do that.
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