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Old 05-18-2010, 09:04 PM   #1
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Hi all,

I'm new to bikes and this forum as well, and I'm in the process of buying a bike now.
I'm 25 years old, full-time employee and finished my MSF course and got my license.
I've been doing some research and figured out that the Ninja250R is one of the best bikes to start with, and its around $4000, and running cost is really low. However, most of my friends who are advanced riders suggested that I start with 600cc motorbike instead of 250.
So I took a look on some of these 600cc and I figured out the CBR is the best one out there, but since I don't want to spend much money on that, I think the Ninja zx6r would be my best bet.
Do you guys think I should go with the Ninja250r or stick with 600cc? If it's the latter, then which one would be best, among all the 600cc bikes available in the market?
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:17 PM   #2
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2 basic rules for first bikes:
1) Buy small
2) Buy used

And there's a "new riders start here" sticky thread. It's long. Read it. We've been through this before. Many times.

Who, pray tell, are these "advanced rider" friends of yours? Does their riding gear consist of flippy flops and backwards hats?
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:21 PM   #3
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Oh yeah - and welcome to riding! You're off to a good start with the MSF course and doing the research. Don't let some douchebag friends (or forum responders) discourage you from getting what is right for you.
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:01 AM   #4
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Ejis said it all, there is NO WAY a 600cc sport bike is appropriate for new riders.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:07 AM   #5
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I'd disagree with Dr.S only a bit. I think the Suzuki SV-650 can be a great 'starter' bike, and the Dual Purpose bikes up to that displacement as well.

However, the two you mention are both really bad ideas for a new rider. The power curves of the 600-4's are best for more experienced riders.

Get good PPE, and remember that speed doesn't kill; it's the inability to turn or stop that gets you.

As Ejis said, look at our New Riders thread. Pack a lunch first.

Good luck! Stay with us; we love to see more folks in the wind!
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Ejis said it all, there is NO WAY a 600cc sport bike is appropriate for new riders.
Howzabout a BOSSHOSS 502 with a 6-71 Roots blower and Nawz Injection?

Waddyer think about THAT?!

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Howzabout a BOSSHOSS 502 with a 6-71 Roots blower and Nawz Injection?

Waddyer think about THAT?!

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Naw. The Hoss is for Poosies. I prefer the Gunbus.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:46 AM   #8
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1) Have you ever driven a manual-transmission car? If so, at some point I am sure you have found yourself surprised by a green light (say you were reaching into the floorboard for a CD only to look up and see the car in front if you is 100 feet ahead through the intersection, or whatever), and gave it a bit too much gas and let off the clutch a bit too fast, resulting in some tire squealing / chirping. And more than likely, if this has happened to you, it happened either when you first started driving a manual, or even when you just got a new manual vehicle and weren't yet used to it (I've never owned an automatic vehicle, but I did this about a month ago in my brand new Honda Fit).

If you do that in a Ninja 250r, you might jerk yourself a bit and maybe be a bit embarassed. If you do that on a 600cc supersport, the bike is likely to toss yourself off it and launch itself into traffic. The experience to both prevent and control situations like this (just like with a vehicle) only comes with time.

2) Check insurance rates for a brand new rider on a 600cc supersport, ESPECIALLY if you won't be paying cash for it (i.e. the bank owns it). You will find that you will spend quite a bit on insurance in the first year. Paying cash for my Ninja 250r, I will be paying $215 a year for liability and with comprehensive (in case it is stolen or vandalized), or $95 a year without that comprehensive. A new R6 with the minimum state coverages and $500 deductibles is around $4k per year for me, and an R1 would be about $6k per year.


I know a (very spoiled--gets $5k a month from his parents) kid who has an R1. He has had it for over a year now with no problems. Some people are lucky like that, though he also pays like $500 a month for insurance (and he paid cash for the bike, so he does not require as much insurance). I have ridden my dad's older 1100cc cruiser (which is still a high-10-sec bike), and it didn't instantly kill me. I grew up on dirtbikes, and do think I could handle R6. Still, I am starting small and used, not only for the safety, but also for the practicality and the drastically lower running costs. It is used and was also someone else's beginner bike, so it already has some small cracks and dents here and there. It is light weight so it will be easier to manuever until I get better. And, of course, it is cheap to buy, cheap to insure, cheap to feed, cheap to fix, and cheap to maintain.

No offense, but these also sound like the same kinds of friends who would sit you on what is basically a racing bike with turn signals and a bigger muffler, and urge you to keep up with them through the twisties and then still not feel bad when you slide off the road into a tree.

And I would also not recommend buying a new bike. Even a 250r with full coverage is about 1100 a year for me, because they are expecting me to drop the bike at some point (many beginners do), though likely at a lower speed.
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Naw. The Hoss is for Poosies. I prefer the Gunbus.
HA!

Good luck obtaining one of those!

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1) Have you ever driven a manual-transmission car? If so, at some point I am sure you have found yourself surprised by a green light (say you were reaching into the floorboard for a CD only to look up and see the car in front if you is 100 feet ahead through the intersection, or whatever), and gave it a bit too much gas and let off the clutch a bit too fast, resulting in some tire squealing / chirping.
Tire chirp is not a problem in a Subaru Legacy.
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