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Old 07-01-2009, 12:07 PM   #1
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MSF tells me NOT to apply rear brake in slow turns (u; firgure 8 or circles).....while.......training vides suggest doing it???????

what do you folks do?

I have been driving for about 4 months (1500 miles- boston area-no incidents) on learner permit but want to "go for" my full endorsement test.

do pretty well in u and fugure 8s but cant follow a 21 foot diameter circle more than one revolution (I strighten out??)

need advise re: use of rear brake in slow speed turns (if and how it should be done-)---and also---tips for better (tighter) u;figure 8 and circle slow speed turning. Should I lean with bike or lean only the bike etc?

Am not comfortable counterweighting or turning head sharply doing these turns! (I find better results if I keep head up and turn it only slightly in direction of turn).

thanx...........
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:34 PM   #2
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Am not comfortable counterweighting or turning head sharply doing these turns! (I find better results if I keep head up and turn it only slightly in direction of turn).

thanx...........
If you do it enough, you'll get comfortable using that technique - then tight, slow turns won't be a problem.

After my own years of riding, I've ingrained a lot of bad-habits that I'm attempting to break - including what you're describing above. You need to learn to do it NOW if you want to make it second-nature, 'cuz it is bloody hard to make yourself do it a few decades down the road.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:57 PM   #3
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Some folks will use the rear brake to control the speed while at the same time revving the engine (and milking the clutch) to keep it from bogging.
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Old 07-01-2009, 01:17 PM   #4
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Most times I dont use the rear brake to make tight turns, but Iv found that it does help in alot tighter turns. Alot of dirt riders use this technique and they usually tap it at different times around the turn, riding the rear brake.

Keep practicing and do whats easiest for you. I know I may have some bad habits myself like Airhawk stated, but imo none of them have gotten me hurt, so Ill continue to use whats kept me alive this long.

Good luck and keep practicing
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:13 PM   #6
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I guess 'milking' isn't quite the right term, is it?
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:39 PM   #7
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One of the tricks to doing the u-turn and figure-eight in the test is to adjust the idle speed higher than normal, and also use the rear brake during these maneuvers. That way you won't bog the engine and don't have to worry as much about the clutch.
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Old 07-02-2009, 09:59 AM   #8
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MSF tells me NOT to apply rear brake in slow turns (u; firgure 8 or circles).....while.......training vides suggest doing it???????

what do you folks do?

I have been driving for about 4 months (1500 miles- boston area-no incidents) on learner permit but want to "go for" my full endorsement test.

do pretty well in u and fugure 8s but cant follow a 21 foot diameter circle more than one revolution (I strighten out??)

need advise re: use of rear brake in slow speed turns (if and how it should be done-)---and also---tips for better (tighter) u;figure 8 and circle slow speed turning. Should I lean with bike or lean only the bike etc?

Am not comfortable counterweighting or turning head sharply doing these turns! (I find better results if I keep head up and turn it only slightly in direction of turn).

thanx...........
The technique you refer to involves finding the clutch friction point, giving a little throttle and working the rear brake. While very effective, it takes a lot of practice (especially right turns). I would consider it an intermediate/advanced technique and dont recommend it to a newbie. Continue practicing the technique you were taught until you are good at it....THEN find an empty parking lot and start learning the advanced technique. Warning:when you start doing the real tight stuff,you WILL drop the bike at least once until you are comfortable with a real severe lean.
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:46 PM   #9
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I slam down on the pedal a do a big brody, like on a 3 speed. Then I try to look cool and sneer a lot.
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:14 PM   #10
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I just do a mondo stoppie and 180 around so I'm pointing back the way I came dude!


Pushrod (Sir) we're non-judgemental here, what you do to your motorcycle as a consenting adult is entirely up to you and the bike, please feel free to explore "alternate riding styles" as much or as little as you feel comfortable with......
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