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rmorehouse2000 · 07-05-2009, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eshort

MSF tells me NOT to apply rear brake in slow turns

Actually, our MSF instructor advised us to use the rear brake and a touch of throttle in "the box." Like someone posted earlier, it does take a little practice, but once you get it down it REALLY helps on slow tight turns.

What helps best, though, is turning your head and looking at where you want to go. Get that down and you'll rarely need to use the rear brake, if ever.

Dr_Sprocket · 07-06-2009, 03:28 AM

I do use the rear brake in slow, tight turns. It's a technique used by bicyclists, and I have adopted that style for motorcycling. Better not use the front in slow, tight turns or... clink... over you'll go.

The MSF people kept trying to get me to NOT use two-finger braking to modulate, but they can't break me of that one either. Full hand braking might have been required back in the day when brakes were weak. Today's brakes are so much better that one could induce a stoppie with two fingers. That's another habit picked up from bicycling.

JustARider · 07-15-2009, 12:05 PM

Smooth power is very important for the very tight turns. Many bikes idle too fast for the turns and finding the elusive friction zone of the clutch to allow just the right slippage is a trick. Dragging the rear brake helps get the speed down while applying constant smooth power in the tight turns.

Counterweighting is not necessary in tight turns. It might be helpful.

Looking at your destination is very important. Practice until it is comfortable for you. Always point your chin where you want to go and you'll go there.

River_1 · 07-21-2009, 10:12 AM

As a noob, myself...what sort of deminsions should I get good at on the turns? so I can practice in the parking lot across the street...I'm not even streetable yet, but learning in leaps and bounds.
THANKS for the help!

The_AirHawk · 07-21-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by River_1

As a noob, myself...what sort of deminsions should I get good at on the turns? so I can practice in the parking lot across the street...I'm not even streetable yet, but learning in leaps and bounds.
THANKS for the help!

A "master" at it should be able to turn-around in less than the width of 2-3 parking spaces. You won't be able to do so repeatably at first, in all likelihood.

One of our own members has a series of extremely useful instructional videos on YouTube: YouTube - CaptCrashIdaho's Channel

I believe he addresse U-turns in at least one or two of them, including parking-lot practice.

A book I've found helpful with a LOT of moto-skilz is Total Control by Lee Parks. Every serious Motorcyclist should have at least one well-worn copy of it in their library.

River_1 · 07-21-2009, 03:47 PM

I will look into that reading; many, many thanks!

jumbip · 08-11-2009, 02:12 PM

its really happy to see this and there r some advices to give .
I just do a mondo stop pie and 180 around so I'm pointing back the way I came dude!
keep posting to us regularly .
thank you .

nuimos

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07-06-2009, 03:28 AM	#12
Dr_Sprocket Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delmarva Peninsula Posts: 2,331	I do use the rear brake in slow, tight turns. It's a technique used by bicyclists, and I have adopted that style for motorcycling. Better not use the front in slow, tight turns or... clink... over you'll go. The MSF people kept trying to get me to NOT use two-finger braking to modulate, but they can't break me of that one either. Full hand braking might have been required back in the day when brakes were weak. Today's brakes are so much better that one could induce a stoppie with two fingers. That's another habit picked up from bicycling. __________________ "Aid to the helpless indigent is civilized. Aid to the irresponsible is socially corrosive." ----- Schizuki (c. 2011)

07-21-2009, 03:47 PM	#16
River_1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: somewhere between a cornfield and a Toyota factory Posts: 16	Perfect, thanks! I will look into that reading; many, many thanks!

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07-15-2009, 12:05 PM	#13
JustARider Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3	Smooth power is very important for the very tight turns. Many bikes idle too fast for the turns and finding the elusive friction zone of the clutch to allow just the right slippage is a trick. Dragging the rear brake helps get the speed down while applying constant smooth power in the tight turns. Counterweighting is not necessary in tight turns. It might be helpful. Looking at your destination is very important. Practice until it is comfortable for you. Always point your chin where you want to go and you'll go there.

07-21-2009, 10:12 AM	#14
River_1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: somewhere between a cornfield and a Toyota factory Posts: 16	As a noob, myself...what sort of deminsions should I get good at on the turns? so I can practice in the parking lot across the street...I'm not even streetable yet, but learning in leaps and bounds. THANKS for the help!

08-11-2009, 02:12 PM	#17
jumbip Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7	its really happy to see this and there r some advices to give . I just do a mondo stop pie and 180 around so I'm pointing back the way I came dude! keep posting to us regularly . thank you . nuimos Mono stop ie..............motorcycle forum.