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Old 01-27-2005, 04:05 AM   #51
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Considering the price-point,,and market, Roeh seems to be aiming at, it's hard to understand why the bike is being presented as it is. Boutique bikes need to create an emotional response like a reclined supermodel wearing Versace begging you to have sex. Unfortunately, the bike on Roehs website looks like it's saying: Hi! My name in Betty and I work in accounting (For $25K, nobody wants practical).



The MV we were all dooling over, back in November, had a paint-job to die for and looked like it was dressed in Sable. So, Roeh better start spending some quality-virtual-design-time, or his bike is going to be about as popular as a hooker with sharp teeth.



Pitching a boutique bike, I'd want to know walking-in: men will be grabbing thier crotch, women will be squiming, and the Rubber Tree in the corner will be shivering. And, just to be sure, I'd have a thermometer to see if the room-temperature goes higher.



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Old 01-27-2005, 04:50 AM   #52
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If we rode what we can actually ride, most of us would be on EX500s with smiles, instead of gritted teeth.



The Britten was a wonderful illustration of your tear-drop example (ain't much to look at, but she goes like Hell). I've often wondered why no manufacturer has ever crinkled the paint, like the surface of a football, so they can say, " Even The Paint-Job We Gave Our Bikes Makes Them Go Faster!" (it's not like they haven't tried everything else, and it might just help).



Man, there's nothing like something that really works. But, for 25-grand, road-rats like me won't be buying bikes like the Roeh.



BTW, your talkin about that SV with the $2000 discount has me asking my cat where I can get the money, so Thanks a Hellava Lot!



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Old 01-27-2005, 05:35 AM   #53
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The problem most certainly IS the motor- it isn't as fast as the four-cylinder nakeds, and it is the same amount of money.
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Old 01-27-2005, 06:08 AM   #54
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No doubt about it, Suzuki screwed the pooch; the SV should have been so-much more.



And, while I understand your power concerns (SV vs. In-line-fours) given a $1K price reduction and a bit more character, and Suzuki would have had a winner. So, what thier marketing and engineering departments are doing, you tell me and we'll both know! But, offer me a $9000 bike that's comparible to a Tuono, and I won't EVEN listen to my cat.
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:46 AM   #55
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Well, if nothing else, they've got a good tag-line "We Pronounce it ROAR! It's Not a Tradition. It's a Constant State of Mind" (Damn, I'm good! LOL).



You'd think that they would have, at least, run their website picture through a digital paint-shop program, if they're looking to pull investors.



This is a perfect case where the marketing guys should take the engineering department out and get then totally-wasted on some good weed, so they can communicate (don't know why they don't teach that in business school).
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:22 AM   #56
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Isn't it amazing that they think they're going to snare investors with that *****-poor presentation?



For better or for worse, people will judge the bike and company at least partially based on that web site.



The problem: I'm pretty sure there are no marketing guys or gals, and the engineering "department" is probably the two guys who built the bike.



Jeez, you don't have to spend a ton of money to look credible. A good designer could have whipped up a site that was 1000 times better than that in one or two days.
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Old 01-27-2005, 10:42 AM   #57
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I never buy a bike based on the opinion of some reviewer who is only concerned with track performance. I ride on the street and the stiff suspensions of the replicas are simply inadequate. The SV is an excellent streetbike/sporttourer. I'd certainly rather ride an SV through the pothole infested mountian roads of Utah than a 999.



If you don't frequent the Burger Barn then who cares how it stacks up against CBRYZGSXZXRRRRRRRRRs? While they're comparing stats I'm riding.
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:04 AM   #58
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Given comparable frames, I'd almost always be willing to take a 15% horsepower deficit for the tractability of a V-twin. For me, itÂ’s not an issue of which one is better; itÂ’s a matter of what IÂ’m comfortable with. ItÂ’s much easier finding the sweet spot of the rev-range when exiting a corner on a V-Twin, than it is on an in-line four. Besides, being old and lazy, IÂ’m not always up for rowing my gearbox; and since V-Twins are more forgiving about engine speed, we tend to get along just fine. And, with subjects ranging from God-knows-what to who-the-Hell-cares, constantly running through my head, I much-prefer having one-less thing to think about.



In closing (and in reality) saying one is better than the other is like saying the Hulk can beat-up Spider Man. They donÂ’t exist, and neither does my talent for riding any modern sport bike to itÂ’s full potential, so why bother.

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Old 01-27-2005, 11:34 AM   #59
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Just for the Hell of it, I sent Roehr that tag-line/positioning statement (who knows, maybe I'll get a t-shirt).



The problem is, engineers tend not to deal well with intangibles, while creatives tend not to deal well with actual stuff. Consequently, they each end-up looking at the other like they're an alien life form.



Me, I say put 'em in a garage with an assortment of spray-paint and a bong; whatever comes out, use it!
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Old 01-28-2005, 01:50 PM   #60
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No comment on working too hard, but as a Caltech graduate, I'll recomment it anyhow. It's where I learned to ride a motorcycle (see, you can learn more than astrophysics or molecular biology) from a technician in our group. He was a former AMA racer, but had a falling out with his sponsor.



He recommended that I buy a BSA, but I got a Yamaha YDS2 instead..
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