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Old 11-08-2004, 01:42 PM   #71
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Old 11-08-2004, 05:00 PM   #72
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This guy kpaul needs professional help. But, on a serious note, his rants regarding Fox News, for instance, could get Motorcycle.com sued since his constant bad behavior is apparently condoned.
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Old 11-08-2004, 05:29 PM   #73
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We should just let it go. KPail is simply a wrecker. He posts only to create the maximum disturbance and is probably posting on liberal sites calling them all wackos too. The election is over so no need to get worked up any more. Time to put KPail back on the complete ignore mode.



I have to admit though. He is the most effective person I've ever seen for making people hate him. Must not have a life at all.
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Old 11-08-2004, 05:40 PM   #74
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Yeah, I get what you're saying, but what I'm trying to say is let's get rid of money altogether. Less competition and more cooperation. Think of socialism beyond the constructs of our society or beyond the what has already happened in mankind's history. Yes, I am being idealistic and utopian, but wasn't Jesus the ultimate idealist?
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Old 11-08-2004, 05:41 PM   #75
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Point taken. Thank you for the knowledge.
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Old 11-08-2004, 05:45 PM   #76
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There is far too much hate on both sides of this equation. I admit to being part of the problem myself. It's difficult not to get passionate about things you believe in. But I do, earnestly, hope for a better way.
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Old 11-08-2004, 06:01 PM   #77
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I think your point of our founding fathers being more inline with libertarians is only partly valid. Our founding fathers had some vehement disagreements with eachother, you know, the entire Hamilton and Jefferson deal. Furthermore I doubt that you could compare our founding fathers to the so called libertarians of today.



As for the socialist thing, yes I do believe it is a matter of perception and I do believe yours to be incorrect. I only wish I could argue this point better, but since I can't, allow me to point you to a short article written a long time ago, that states what I believe better than I can in my own words. I ask that you give it a read, and that you give your informed opinion.



http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einst.htm
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Old 11-08-2004, 06:02 PM   #78
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Yes an idealist, but not an anarchist.
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Old 11-08-2004, 06:19 PM   #79
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My only disagreement with socialism is the use of the govt gunbarrel to force people who work (and deserve the rewards of their labor) to contribute to those who won't.



The differences are apparent when you compare private charities with govt welfare programs. Private charities uniformly provide better help at a fraction of the cost. The problem with govt "charity" is simply that the bureaucracy is like any other bureaucracy in that it expands and takes actions that create a permanent underclass. And it fights as hard as any agency to protect its turf. The people it purports to help become merely pawns. This result of govt charity is inescapable, period.



A fine current example is the UN's Oil-for-Food scandal, the worst in known human history. Or look at UNICEF. They can't provide aspirin or penicillin to the poor in Africa but by God they sure can distribute all the condoms anyone might ever need (check out the writings of Malthus to understand why this is).



Then there's the US Social Security system that now gives free drugs to the richest demograpic group in the US (the elderly). It also supports heroin addicts habits. Funds Electro-Shock "Treatment" and.... well the list goes on and on.



The entire concept of "the poor" is a lie now anyhow. The "poverty line" in the US is about equal with the middle class in most European nations. The govt falsely labels people "poor" to justify our insanely expensive and ineffective social services.



Aside form a few simple functions like Fire Departments and paving roads the only thing the govt is uniformly good at is generating useless jobs for the sub-intelligent. Most bureaucrats would be fired if they tried to work at MacDonalds. (My apologies to any MacDonalds employees out there for comparing them to govt employees).
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Old 11-08-2004, 08:09 PM   #80
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Points to consider. And I will. I appreciate your insight.
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