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Old 11-09-2004, 06:33 AM   #91
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Sorry Stoney, but I think that it is possible that liberals are a minority on this site.



Pass the dutchie 'pon the left hand side.
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Old 11-09-2004, 08:12 AM   #92
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Absolutely the Right went on attack with Clinton. If you had known me then, you would have heard me say how ridiculous most of that was, too. At least, up until the time of Lewinskygate. But the level of hate was nothing close to what's been heaped on Bush.



I never loved Clinton. And I do think that some of his actions were disgraceful. But I did vote for him once.



What I find so disgusting is that these shrill Lefties are the ultimate hypocrites. They really believe it is their right to have their candidate as President. They can't imagine how Kerry could have lost. And everyone who didn't vote for him is either stupid or evil. This from the people who preach tolerance and understanding. Well, apparently, only if you subscribe to their understanding.



There are reports of vote irregularities. But consider where the reports are coming from--most are partisan web sites and publications. Apparently, some of the official numbers released don't add up at first glance either, though. I'm keeping my eye on that. Let's see if there are any plausible explainations before anyone goes screaming "FRAUD!" By the way, no one knows how these errors may have really helped either of the candidates. Apparently you didn't hear about the report of e-voting machines in Philadelphia with 2,000 votes logged for Kerry before the polls even opened. Of course not. That doesn't help the Left's cause at all. But who knows if that's true, too?



The pollwatchers in Ohio were going to be sent to challenge illegitimate voters, not clog the polls. That is really a ridicuolous spin. Fact is, the Left doesn't even want you to have to show ID when you vote. In many places you don't even have to prove who you are to vote. Is that ensuring a fair election? And since the Dems were counting on a big election turnout, and there were already reports of ficticious voters and multilple voters, I would say that that is a really weak acusation. Oh, and by the way, those pollwatchers in Ohio never showed up according to Air America Radio (you know, the Al Franken network--which I listen to a bit every day).



Let's see how the vote thing pans out.



As far as the mainstream media is concerned, I think the Right makes a far more convincing case for bias against them than the Left does. Please, most journalists in the mainstream media are admitted liberals or Democrats. And I rarely saw anything that remotely resembled critisism of Kerry. How did they treat Bush? Really, think about it.



And since when did polls superseed actual votes? Yes, the exit polls could have been wrong. For example, in consumer research people often lie. They answer in a way in which they think they should answer, not the way they really feel. But that may only be a small part of it. There seems to be good reason to question the sampling techniques. And there is also the theory that the Democrats flooded the polling places with voters to suppress later voting. Am I saying that that is fact? No.



I'm just saying the sword cuts both ways.



We often believe what we want to believe. That doesn't mean it's the truth.



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Old 11-09-2004, 08:32 AM   #93
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Actually, this is a motorcycle site. Although you wouldn't know it sometimes.



Sorry, we do have a tendency to get caught up in this crap.
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Old 11-09-2004, 02:49 PM   #95
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Wrong again. Mortgage rates went up. I bought my house in 1993 on an adjustable rate mortgage. It went up every year during Billy's term.



Plus, mortgage rates have very little to do with the Federal Reserve. Mortgages are bundled and sold on Wall St.



I proved you wrong and now you're trying to change the subject.



I'm re-entering ignore mode again along with Seruzawa. You're a waste of air.
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Old 11-09-2004, 07:31 PM   #96
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Good points and analysis. Hey, I'm glad that we can have civil discussion.
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Old 11-10-2004, 03:41 AM   #97
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better keynes than the bible. keynes' policies helped the western world move on from the depression. the bible is fine, but the way people interpret isnt (generally speaking). Nobody ever went on a crusade because of anything keynes said, thats for sure.
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Old 11-10-2004, 04:11 AM   #98
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Yes, it is refreshing, ain't it?



A quick update on the vote controversy:



As I've been hearing from a few different political scientists, the shouts of fraud in Florida should die down a bit. Our typical arrogant and ignorant Yankee-types have been screaming how it's impossible that so many Democrats voted for Bush. Well, they were unaware of a very large group of people called "Dixiecrats" who often vote against party lines in national and state elections. "The Majority Report" on Air America (with Janine Garafalo and Sam Seder) was even forced to report this last night. I give them big props for doing the right thing.



Looks like the Ohio "more votes than voters" conspiracy is losing air, too. "The Majority Report" also reported that there seems to be a believeable explanation for having more votes than voters in some Ohio counties: Absentee ballots and provisional ballots. Looks like the conspiracy theorists forgot about them when it was conveinent.



None of this proves that there wasn't any wrongdoing anywhere, though. We should keep our eyes peeled. But please, keep your brains working, too.
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Old 11-10-2004, 04:48 AM   #99
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Considering Bush won by 3.5 million votes I think the Majority Report might have to change its name.
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