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Old 01-11-2004, 03:42 PM   #81
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You said it, Seru, there's always another one....
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:09 PM   #82
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I totally agree. Ultimate performance is a combination of many things, one of the biggest being the rider.



I'm also not saying that everyone should buy litrebikes, or that one type of bike is "better" than another.



My point is very basic: peak engine torque values alone aren't very useful for determining comparative performance. As was shown, a bike with lower absolute engine torque values may in fact put more torque to the wheel because of the ability to deliver that torque at high revs.







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Old 01-11-2004, 04:15 PM   #83
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Why?



Bikes have different gear reduction ratios, so at the same road speeds will being turning at different RPMs. What is the point of comparing at a given RPM value?



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Old 01-11-2004, 04:58 PM   #84
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Probably becuase in order to handle better it would most likely have to take on the proportions of a sportbike.



Talk about a circular argument!
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:13 PM   #85
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Default There is only one catch; and that's catch 22.

If the american market wanted a light, sporty, agile cruiser (which wouldn't be a cruiser at all) then they would be plentiful and common. It's simple supply and demand.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:20 PM   #86
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Default Re: Is Motorcycle Online going to change its name to Cruiser Online?

Sorry guys I'm with KPaul on this one.....



I'm not really complaining too much because MO has pretty good sportbike reviews when they occur. Anyhoo....



IMHO, reviews on cruisers (despite the fact that they are the majority of the market) are redundant because cruisers are purchased based almost exclusively for subjective reasons. No matter what any review says most buyers are going to buy the one they want regardless.



Plus, there's no real engineering contest in the cruiser department. The efforts at making things lighter---more powerful---faster---better are all in the hi-po sportbike realm. The latest & greatest cruiser is still a cruiser-----the lastest and greatest sportbike is the pinnacle of consumer-grade motorcycle engineering. It's just more intruiging reading.
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Old 01-11-2004, 05:21 PM   #87
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Default Re: Tear each others' throats out

03 civic hybreds can be had for 17k off the lot. Test drove one today, the wife liked it and it looks like a normal car. Then I headed over to subi and drove a WRX, sat in a STI and a Mazda RX8. Too much fun to be had for 30k this year...
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Old 01-11-2004, 06:48 PM   #88
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Default Re: Is Motorcycle Online going to change its name to Cruiser Online?

A solipsism if ever there was one.
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Old 01-11-2004, 07:11 PM   #89
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...took the words right outta my mouth lol!
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Old 01-11-2004, 08:02 PM   #90
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Mass x velocity + 818 lb. Vulcan = OUCH!

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