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Old 02-17-2002, 09:38 PM   #21
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Default Re: Year 2002 Kawasaki ZX-12R

Well done Kawasaki! Now if you could apply the same improvement scheme on your other models beginning from ZX-7R .I know Superbike rules are going to change but I love 750s and I have a soft spot in my heart for this bike!. It seems like there could be hope for Kawasaki yet.
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Old 02-18-2002, 02:46 AM   #22
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Default Re: Year 2002 Kawasaki ZX-12R

I don't own a 12R, just answering your Q...



Actually, when I read the reviews of the 12R in like 'Cycle World', they didn't exactly -bash- the bike so much as bemoan the apparently "electronically limited" top-end. That was the rumor at the time, I can't remember if the initial bikes were limited. The bike did come with a lot of hype, and when it didn't zoom past the 'Busa, it got some flak... rightly deserved. "You boast like that, you'd better back it up" was the concensus.



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They, to my recollection, they liked the handling, were ambivalent about the styling, and thought it had plenty of power and torquey grunt. Might've complained about some chain-snatch and off-idle glitchy-response too, and other small things... probably didn't like the seat. Liked the chassis, IIRC.



Didn't read a whole lot of other mags, so I'm sure the -really- negative reviews were out there. Further, anyone buying one at the time would no doubt be extra-sensitive to criticisms, as are just about all bikers with a sparkling new ride... me included. No one wants to hear bad stuff after plunking down large $$$.



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Old 02-18-2002, 02:51 AM   #23
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No doubt! I like the bike too, even with it's "dated" look, porky dimensions, etc... .



What would be interesting would be that if Kawi took the old 7R motor, "detuned" it and put it in the ZR-7! ha!!.. oh man!.. .. hmmm.. no wait a minute... perhaps that's NOT a bad idea?.. could Kawi have a chance to 'invent' a new, mid-level, sport-standard market??.. by making a 750-class bike with actual guts enough to challenge an FZ-1?, and perhaps weigh less and handle better???.. Hmmmm!!



Nah!.. they'd never do that!, perish the thought.



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Old 02-18-2002, 04:44 AM   #24
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I am not sure if the ZR7 Chassis is up to handling the ZX7R engine with its limited ground clearance and all, but I think a ZX7R based neo-standard is a great idea!



Don't detune the engine too much (like Honda neutered its 919 called Hornet 900 in Europe), give it a meaty tubular chassis, a modern interpretation of the current ZX7R upper fairing and tail section while keeping it user friendly. They could borrow the brakes, suspension and wheels from their current line-up or even the 7R to keep the price to a minimum. I'd like it to resemble the 7R the way FZ-1 reminds everyone of R1 because I believe the ZX7R is still one of the best looking bikes around. Come on Kawasaki, it shouldn't be too hard!

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Old 02-18-2002, 05:32 AM   #25
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Yeah, for sure they'd have to revise a new ZR-7 chassis to handle the ZX7 motor, but in concept, I think the idea is a slam-dunk winner!... a upper-middle weight sporty-standard 'naked' bike.



With super-bike going to 1000cc, it's no doubt that the 750cc super-sport type bikes will fade, so why not re-define that whole segment!?



Absolutely agree with your points about "parts-bin raiding".. hell, doesn't bother me. So long as it's not TOTAL junk that's being put on, folks can accept it in the interest of avoiding a $9K price-tag.



If they could build such a bike for high-$7K (or less of course), they'd sell a lot of them I bet to folks that like the FZ-1, but not the roughly $9K price. The cost of developing the motor is long since paid for, I'm sure. Forks + shock + brakes... same deal. It doesn't have to out-handle a current 600, just keep up with/possibly beat the new open-class standards.



Suzuki has the small v-twin market sewn up b/c they did the same kind of thing... dynamite motor in a good chassis w/some "minimalist" suspension and sold it for a rock-bottom price. No one is going to compete with them now b/c they probably can't, but a new segment is out there!



Kawi could be the first and define this new segment if they hurry! Are you listening Kawasaki!!?



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Old 02-18-2002, 09:28 AM   #26
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Default Still like my ZX-11 style

Why did Kawi get away from the streamlined bodywork of the ZX-11? I love my flush signals and that big front fender. It's great the ZX-12 has the big power now, but those blue wheels don't hold a candle to the older black/semi-gloss aluminum wheels, the frame has dissappeared under that black paint, and everyone who buys one is going to chop off the signals to mount L/P flush units. What a hassle, albiet a small one, but still, the old body style was better and only needed a light freshening up.



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Old 02-18-2002, 10:40 AM   #27
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Default Re: Exhaust valves?

Pretty sure you're joking but in case you didn't get it they are talking about a valve in the exhaust - not an exhaust valve.
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Old 02-18-2002, 04:06 PM   #28
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As far as I remember, Motorcyclist magazine was the only U.S. magazine that did not review the ZX12R favourably. Then again, they did pick the VFR over the R1 as "bike of the year"....
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Old 02-19-2002, 07:05 AM   #29
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Default not much more power than the original one

motorcyclist published a figure of about 163hp for the '00 ZX-12. its not in the peak power that the major improvement of the '02 bike is. its in the usability and ridability.

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Old 02-19-2002, 07:54 AM   #30
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I hope it does! I have a ZRX1200-R and have road both the Hyabusa and ZX12 I can say both bikes are amazingly fast. What throws me is absolute (or perceived) lack of effort the ZX12 gets to speed. 100+ speeds no problem, no real wind gusts - nothing. It almost reminds me of the first time I rode a Blackbird but the scary thing is the ZX is faster! I could really get in trouble on that bike! Now the Hyabusa to me is really fast and has the attitude to match it. I consider the Hyabusa along the same lines as a V-Max or Speed Triple.
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