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Old 08-03-2004, 05:55 PM   #51
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Default Re: Stellican Limited, Owners of nothing but a name?

The real tragedy was not Indian, but the demise of Excelsior-Henderson in my estimation. They at least had a truly proprietary engine and driveline (and that huge front end looked a LOT better in person than in pictures -- very effectively paying homage to the look of their original namesake machines). Not too unlike the "muscular/ broad shouldered" look of many modern Confederate brand motorcycles. Not a bad way to look IMHO.



There were some mechanical teething problems to be sure, but fixes were developed and promptly put into the pipeline as Service Bulletins. The bikes are quite sound if these few known problems are corrected. You really can't fault the management for delaying the production ramp up until they resolved those issues. Perhaps in hindsight, they probably put far too much emphasis on quality (though I think they wanted that to be the thing that helped them stand out from the "other" V-Twin manufacturers). The bikes and paint jobs were jewel like in the flesh, and very clearly worth the asking price (compared to competitive bikes).



It begs the question: Where were these savvy white knight "investors" when E-H had such a fully developed machine, an ultra modern production facility and trained (albeit by then mostly laid off) workers; but only lacked the resources to finally properly promote their product and build a dealer body? It clearly would have been the better investment (basically a turn key operation for them). It may not have had the instant cachet of the Indian name, but it was real product.



Indian did nothing but rebadge CMC choppers, sell some merchandise and run a fancy Toronto coffee shop (while mostly proceeding to waste untold amounts of money on embarrassingly exhorbitant displays at motorcycle shows; and hiring clueless "car guys" to run the (mis)management show -- at their big car guy salaries, and one can only assume providing them with nice cushy offices too). As others pointed out, even their Power Plus (yawn) was a warmed over design that broke no new ground AT ALL. Still, they managed to ***** away probably as much dough as E-H and really have nothing to show for it.



Let's hope they don't hire back any of those meatheads as "consultants"...
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Old 08-03-2004, 07:36 PM   #52
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Default Re: Good move

You're right about standards, they are the perfect all around do any type of riding bikes

You can stick a windshield and bags on one and tour, you can take them off again and cruise, you can get some sticky tires and shred it like a ripper, all on the same bike.

One of the big problems I see is bikes getting to specialized into full-on sport bikes or retro cruisers that are too narrowly focused for me any way.
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:09 PM   #53
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Default Re: Stellican Limited, Owners of Chris-Craft Boats Acquire Indian Motorcycle Brand

Maybe introduce the brand, and by the time the bike is ready the market will be on an up swing. Or not and the idea will sink.....and settle by all the harley anchors.
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:12 PM   #54
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Yea, an XR 750 clone! Serious though that would be cool.
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Old 08-04-2004, 03:50 AM   #55
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Default Re: Stellican Limited, Owners of Chris-Craft Boats Acquire Indian Motorcycle Brand

Here's an idea for free to the Stelican board, take a look at the Ducati design competition, a few months ago. Hold your own contest for designers to get new, fresh, and inovative design ideas flowing into the company. Higher the winers, and let them go.
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Old 08-04-2004, 05:37 AM   #56
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Default Re: Stellican Limited, Owners of Chris-Craft Boats Acquire Indian Motorcycle Brand

I like the idea of more "American" made motorcycles. I agree with most everybody here that the route Triumph took was a good one. I'm not into monster cruisers (big, fat, and slow). I think all the brands should have something like the Ducati Monster or Triumph's Speed Triple in their line up. Cruisers only is too narrow a market unless you're lucky enough to have the initials H.D. In these politically correct days though, shouldn't the company be called Native American Motorcycles?
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:17 AM   #57
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Yeah, somewhere in all this retro-cruiser hype over the last 10-15 years, cruisers became "the most comfortable...most rideable...the most managable for older or even new riders." Of course, this is all ridiculous. (Except low seat height.) Some people even think they're the most powerful! And I'm not even talking about people who don't ride, these are people who do. Yes, many of them entered the sport in recent years, bought a cruiser because it was cool and never have really ridden much else. They see a lazy-boy riding position and they think it's comfortable. They see their dentist riding one and they think it's the most rideable. They hear the loud pipes and they think it's the most powerful. Oohh, and look at all the chrome! Eventually this misinformation goes around until the average guy/gal believes it.



If somebody really likes cruisers, I say go for it. I have friends who love theirs'. But this idea that Indian has to make only cruisers is ridiculous--and probably self-defeating. If they want to be something like the old innovative, spunky Indian they should consider something other than just a retro-cruiser.



Make Indian STAND for something. As it is, it's just a label, not a brand.



I like sportbikes, but Indian better stay away from the technological pissing contest that the Big 4 are always having. Yes, some people will always want the bikes that are winning races--even if they're not the best streetbikes--but I bet there will be a lot of people who would love to have an alternative to the extreme race ergos, peaky power, and razor-sharp characteristics of race replicas--especially if someone (ahem, Indian) makes it cool. Indian needs to produce, contemporary,

high-performance-but relatively simple machines with knockout looks. They need their own identity.



Most of all they need to change the perception with many people that you're either a supersport rider or a cruiser rider. Maybe you're neither.
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:19 AM   #58
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Buell.
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:43 AM   #59
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:46 AM   #60
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"Indian needs to produce, contemporary,

high-performance-but relatively simple machines with knockout looks. They need their own identity."



That one sentence is probably what every motorcycle manufacturer would love to have, but it's easier said than done in a fickle market.
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