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Old 01-21-2004, 12:27 PM   #21
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Your prediction has been floating around for about 100 years now. I've got a sportbike and a Harley. I like them both for different reasons.



If you had to have a Harley rather than a sportbike you could certainly afford a sportster. Take a look at all the young punks walking around in West Coast Choppers t-shirts before you declare the young aren't into the American VTwin scene.
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Old 01-21-2004, 01:12 PM   #22
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Sending a rover to mars has nothing to do with Indian. If the company was run by people that cared about bikes and went the extra mile to make sure it stayed running, it would have stood a better chance. greed has a lot to do with it. In the Japanese companies, the CEO might only make 20-30 times the lowest paid person, or something like that. In America, it's a free for all, the executives always have a golden parachute. While the regular people at Indian were left jobless, I imnagine the executives did OK. Believe me, I am no socialist, in fact a libertarian, but this stinks.
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Old 01-21-2004, 04:03 PM   #23
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I always loved the idea of Indian being a viable company. I always knew they were doomed, they had no real identity as Indians. They were simply substandard Harley clones at a premium price. If they had done something different, like Triumph, or started something new (Victory) there might have been something worthwhile there, but even their "all new" Indian engine was a joke....a new set of castings with the carb on the left side does not a new engine make....
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Old 01-21-2004, 05:40 PM   #24
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As many others have noted, Indian failed because it was simply an inferior Harley clone. They weren't a different motorcycle in any sense. The original Indian was the "sportbike" of its time. I always had a soft spot for them, as my dad used to regale me with stories from the past. I think lack of long term investor confidence also caused their failure.



Triumph succeeds because its owner realized that years of development and millions of pounds would be needed to make a really competitive brand. Ducati survived its dark days because of the passion of those devoted to the marque. The same is true of Harley. We can make great products here, we just don't.



Too bad we can't seem to find good managers and wise investors here in the States. Maybe they could have created something great.



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Old 01-21-2004, 06:00 PM   #25
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Don't waste your time arguing. Harleys are terrible, all young people are only interested in tire-shredding sportbikes and no facts are going to get in the way of that opinion.



But, as you and I already know, either a person eventually grows up and decides that he likes to ride for other reasons than balls-to-the-wall performance or he seriously injures himself or kills himself off. I don't mean that evereyone eventually buys cruisers, but those who have lasted a long time always find riding days where just riding at reasonable speeds and enjoying the scenery = a ripping good time.



I've seen it too many times. People who ride only for the adrenaline rush often don't last long in our sport. Ya gotta cultivate the appreciation for the relaxed putt or you are likely to bite it big time. If you are just in it for the adrenaline rush then get thee hence to track days 'cause the odds are gonna catch up to you on the street. I know from hard experience and a stainless steel pin in my right ankle.



Trust me. I've seen it too many times over the last 40 years. Too many friends are gone.



And it's usually either from alcohol or a thirst for always pushing the envelope. Or both.
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Old 01-21-2004, 06:03 PM   #26
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I seem to recall that HD built an entire assembly line just to provide Sportsters for overseas production.



'Course Sportsters are really standards rather than cruisers.
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Old 01-22-2004, 03:20 AM   #27
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Sorry to disagree, but I can cruise just as confortably on my sport bike, or touring bike as anyone on a cruiser. With the added benifit of better breaking and handling.

But remember its 99% rider skill 1% bike capability.

Personally don't like cruisers (last one I had was a basket case AMF Harley) but if its your thang, go for it.

Not everyone wants to ride a couch.
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Old 01-22-2004, 03:25 AM   #28
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I was so glad to see the Indian reborn, but sooo disapointed to see what a substandard job they did with it. They desreved to fade away. The legacy now will be a money grubbing weenie attempt and not a noble resurection. Shame shame. But isn't that the good part of our system?



Victory on the other hand seems to be putting out a quality product with a nice difference. If you want a v-twin cruiser, there is an American alternative that appears to be in a fine American tradition. Victory is part of Minnesota run Polaris. The developement and assembly are all held in the Minnesota/Wisconsin/Iowa area with good input from industry notables. I think they are doing it right.



I am not a v-twin kind of guy, but if I ever go that direction, the Victory dealer is the first place I will go. I never even considered the Indian. Was another one of those "why pay twice as much for half the motorcycle" things.



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Old 01-22-2004, 03:26 AM   #29
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That was my problem with the Indian remake. They completely forgot to build of f the past heritage of the band name, and went at the Harley clone market. Not saying they should have made sport bikes, but how about a lighter weight higher performance cruiser. And stock the top level staff with people first, passionate about motorcycles and Bee, buisness practices.
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Old 01-22-2004, 04:16 AM   #30
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Given the time I'm sure Indian would have worked on their quality issues. I have been an investor in Harley Davidson Corp since 1987 and feel that Indian was a clone but still felt it filled a need. I, for one, am sad to see them fold. Had they, instead of Triumph, come up with the Rocket III, then they would probably have been quite successful. Remember that Indian long ago had a sideways mounted 4 cylinder bike. Beautiful bike. Instead they kept pumping out v-twin bottlecap engined bikes with cheapo plastic looking controls on the handle bars. Oh well, I kinda like the fact that if you want a real Indian, that you can buy a newly manufactured one from KIWI. Perfect replica, except that it is made with modern metals and exacting tolerances. I'd love to try one out. Pretty pricey I bet.
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