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Old 09-24-2003, 01:26 AM   #61
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Default Honda pales in comparison

Excelsior Henderson had over 90% American parts content - far greater than any other builder. And with a leading link anti-dive front end, OHC 4 valve EFI engine and adjustable monoshock rear, it was a generation ahead of any cruiser now built. Pick one up cheap, spend a couple thousand on required upgrades, and have yourself a unique world-beater.
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Old 09-24-2003, 01:33 AM   #62
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Default Re: Indian Motorcycles Shuts Its Doors

If you're referring to the Volvo-powered Indian clone, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you really want to see a wild-looking retro bike, check out the Balwin Autocycle. Basically a stretched Excelsior henderson fitted with a Chrysler Neon engine with a row of Webers. Now I want to be the South Florida demo rider for THAT one!!!

link: http://www.baldwinautocycle.com/
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Old 09-24-2003, 01:43 AM   #63
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Default Re: Victory?

Financial status is everything. From startup to profitability a new product requires at least twelve years. Indian played it smart by buying an operating company and shaving ten years off that. But they never built an Indian - but just kept building a California Motorcycle Company clone rebadged as an Indian at too high a price. The new round in-house designed heads on the EVO motor were too little too late. EH was a far better product at a better price, but was all done on borrowed money. People stop investing in long term risky ventures when opportunities like dotcoms show up with promises of quick obscene profits. Victory is on it's third design now and is finally getting it right. But they had the advantage of huge corporate money reserves to keep them going while they worked to get it right. I'm sure if GM had bought EH or Indian, they'd still be improving and still be on the market.
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Old 09-24-2003, 01:49 AM   #64
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There's more to it than that. The Harley mystique lies in a whole slew of factors: surviving the depression, participation in WW1 and WW2, the buyout from AMF, the dogged determination to stick with the traditional styling and engine design, the long term success of something American in a day when no TV's or VCR's are made in America anymore, an American product being number 1 in an industray in a day when even the American automobiule industry is on the verge of extinction. And last but not least - the brilliant marketing strategy that targets middle aged Americans who have little left to boast about and gives them an opportunity to be "BAD"!
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Old 09-24-2003, 05:29 AM   #65
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Default Re: PUHLEEZ!

Have AMF-era bikes actually come off the line missing a piston? That's almost unbelievable...



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