Go Back   Motorcycle Forum > Motorcycle.Com General Discussion > Motorcycle News > Old News > Honda News

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-24-2001, 09:51 AM   #71
Rafi
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 34
Default Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run

Well, I figured as much. heh heh I love your dyno run videos...
Rafi is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements
Motorcycle Forum
Advertisement
Old 12-24-2001, 10:28 AM   #72
Lincoln
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 203
Default Re: It meets 2008 Emissions PEOPLE!

oh man, the end of motorcycling as we know it near. when people start espousing the virtues of a bike based on its emissions output, we're finished. motorcycles account for like .01% of annual vehicle emissions output. If you think you're "doing your part" by riding a bike that puts out less emissions in the name of more parts, more cost and less performance, then the EPA has had its way with you
Lincoln is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2001, 12:30 PM   #73
rvfrules
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Tokyo
Posts: 135
Default Re: What a shame....

It was a special model put together by UK Honda. All they did was slap a silver fairing onto a red bike, add some boring stickers and give it silver wheels. It's a shame Honda Japan didn't put their muscle behind it and release a special paint job along the lines of the RC-30 or 45.
rvfrules is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2001, 05:33 PM   #74
shralper
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2
Default Re: Why more displacement?

Huh? More displacement=more weight? Since when? Most liter-class sportbikes today are well under 390 lbs. So why can't Honda bring down the weight on an 781cc bike? It just doesn't make any sense.



I'm not asking for the VFR to become a featherweight racebike like the R1, GSXR-1000, or CBR 959. I realize the VFR has things like a single-sided swingarm and a linked braking system. But I think it's reasonable to expect its weight to be somewhere in the low 400lbs range. Now it's almost 500lbs! Crazy.



As for increasing the displacement, I'm glad to see they didn't, simply from the perspective of the cost to insure. Unlike many, I refuse to ever ride a bike without full coverage, and the cost of insurance nearly triples when going from a 750 class bike to liter-class.



Unfortunately, I waited four long years, expecting (with all certainty) to see the weight decrease in 2002. Instead, we get a weight INCREASE and a DECREASE in HP and torque! This is almost unheard of in the industry. Talk about a step backward! Plus, the gear-driven cam is now gone, while a complex vtec system (with no discernable benefits) has been added.



Apparently, Honda thinks that VFR fans don't care about weight and performance.



The VFR could have been the perfect bike for those who want more usable torque in the mid-range (instead of the 12K+ RPM range like the CBR600), a little more legroom than a CBR600, a little more wind/weather protection, and a reasonable "cost to insure". All it needed, IMHO, was to lose about 50 lbs and maybe a gain a little more HP/torque.



Honda blew it. Big time.
shralper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2001, 09:12 PM   #75
RRocket
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 93
Default Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run

"and a Husky NOX." Thank god, I was starting to think your garage was kinda boring....
RRocket is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2001, 07:36 AM   #76
Arch
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 16
Default Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run

*Ouch* RRocket. Please send over a NOX to put me on the straight & narrow!...



Arch
Arch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2001, 09:38 AM   #77
starvingstudent
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 486
Default Re: Why more displacement?

As for the VFR's weight, remember that it's going to always be significantly more than a CBR because a V-4 has a lot more mass to it than an inline-four (at least, it seems that way to me, but I'm not an engineer). The healthy fairing, nice seating, and rear subframe that can handle hard luggage also add weight.



Also, more displacement DOES equal more weight _if everything else is equal_. If you're altering more than one variable, then of course you can up displacement and drop weight.



As for the decrease in torque, MotorcycleDaily and others who have ridden it say that it feels a LOT more powerful in the lower rev range. Something wierd is going on with MO's dyno reading here.
starvingstudent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2001, 10:33 AM   #78
Troll
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3
Default Ugly with Tech Features of a Cadillac 8-6-4

The appeal of this Interceptor has much in common with the tech features of my old man's Cadillac 8-6-4, which ran on 4 cylinders when cruising, 6 if more load and 8 in full out acceleration. Cadillac abandoned the idea years ago and that model had a lot of problems.



Anyways since this is a sports touring bike whose going to be riding this bike at a steady 7000+ rpms just to hear the other 2 valves open up. In top gear my Honda RC51 at 5500 rpms is doing about 100mph and my Suzuki Hayabusa at about 5000 rpms in top gear is doing 100mph. If the Intercepter is geared similar to the RC51 or Busa, no one is going to be cruizing at 7000+ rpm. If you're going to rev out the engine constantly at 7000+rpm, get a true sports bike.



The present Interceptor is porky(overweight), low on horsepower, overly complicated mechanically(VTEC valves). If Honda got rid of the VTEC valves and added a shaft drive, I would consider it as a viable sport-touring motorcycle.
Troll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2001, 11:00 AM   #79
admnelson
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1
Default Re: It meets 2008 Emissions PEOPLE!

I own a '94 VFR and am still waiting for a bike that looks as good. Don't really care for so much RED, would need to get a paint job on the lower half, maybe add a VFR sticker to the side too. Are they even available?
admnelson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2001, 11:24 AM   #80
VTR-Pilot
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 8
Default Re: It meets 2008 Emissions PEOPLE!

Right on, let's cut that environmental bull. What a heck it has to do with motorcycles anyway. Let's be realistic; how many participants in traffic are bikers? Half a percent at best. That's what makes us special, too!
VTR-Pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off