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Patrick-of-the-Hills · 12-21-2001, 06:57 PM

Honda bothered to do all these fancy changes because they're Honda, and complexity for complexity's sake has always been an official corporate undercurrent. A semi-effective (on paper) VTEC system is just another facet of the company that's bringing us linked brakes (giving Guzzi their due there, though), a V-5 race engine, and God knows how many other head-scratcher ideas.

DSSConsult · 12-21-2001, 08:42 PM

According to several other magazines, the new Interceptor actually improves significantly at under 7,000 rpm's torque measures (due to the restriction in the number of actuating valves as opposed to the older model which runs on all four throughout the entire range), while for some reason, they all agree the power snapping effect starting at precisely 7,000 rpm (V-TEC trigger point) is not noticeable in stationay testing (whether running it in neutral at over 7,000 rpms or at the dyno).

It could be that some ram air induction pressure is missing in measuring power distribution as compared to riding the bike on the road. I was sold on the bike once I saw the interesting video at MCN. The sound and power snapping become apparent and really exciting. I am definitely going for a test run on this one (shame it still does not come with a larger displacement engine!)

Sparky · 12-22-2001, 02:44 AM

Agreed. Gear driven cams were a definite plus in the VFR. They offer much more precise valve timing than a chain.

plastics · 12-22-2001, 03:44 AM

Earlier on, I scan some Dyna chart somewhere from the Honda factory which shows a huge area under the curve for the 02 VFR, which suggest that the VTEC technology really works. Shocking is my reaction from seeing Mimimi dyno run..it's hardly any difference compare to the 01 VFR! I can't wait until a demo ride on the 02 VFR to see for myself whether this VTEC is worth all it is crack up to be. I like the new underseat pipes, the more aggressive springs, new look etc, but the engine has to have more grunt for me to trade in my 95 VFR.

Plastics

yellowduc · 12-22-2001, 04:54 AM

Hello, the bike is ugly. I think Honda in general has lost it's charm and appeal. Their technical objectives are not driven by rider's inputs. This bike's technical features are questionable throughout. Looks like a science project.

YellowDuc

Vlad · 12-22-2001, 05:25 AM

A second amen. I have a 98 VFR. My only complaint is that it's a little porky and my right foot gets a bit warm at times. So they made the new one heavier. It's also ugly and they replaced the bevel drive with a chain. If Honda really wants to improve the VFR, go back to the 1998-2001 model and put it on a diet and add 43mm inverted forks and factory hard bags. Meanwhile, I will stick to the best all-around bike ever made, 'specially since it's already in my garage.

Vlad

two_wheels · 12-22-2001, 06:31 AM

well, looking at the dyno chart, i to am dissapointed.....wasent this thing suppose to have up to an extra 10 foot ponds below 7 grand...also, this thing has been regeared, perhaps to coverup the blunder that the vtec does very little...

Charlie · 12-22-2001, 08:29 AM

The new VFR is not improved enough to justify upgrading an existing VFR. I agree with most of these guys, Honda should have spent their VFR R&D budget on more displacement and an adjustable suspension. I also wonder how thrashed and or poorly broken in was the 2002 that was used in this dyno test?

drandall · 12-22-2001, 10:06 AM

This is hilarious; I can't stand technology for technology's sake. Looks like I can get a deal on a '98+ vfr800, spend a grand on the suspension, and still be thousands ahead!

starvingstudent · 12-22-2001, 12:04 PM

It's not what I'd own, but the new Veefer is darned attractive. Love the nose section, and it's about time Honda realized that a single-sided rear swingarm needs to be shown off. If you got it, flaunt it, right?

Honda must own stock in a company that only produces red paint though. I know it's company colors and all, but PUHLEEZE give us something different. Can you imagine a 2-tone black-and-silver VFR?

12-21-2001, 06:57 PM	#21
Patrick-of-the-Hills Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 155	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run Honda bothered to do all these fancy changes because they're Honda, and complexity for complexity's sake has always been an official corporate undercurrent. A semi-effective (on paper) VTEC system is just another facet of the company that's bringing us linked brakes (giving Guzzi their due there, though), a V-5 race engine, and God knows how many other head-scratcher ideas.

12-21-2001, 08:42 PM	#22
DSSConsult Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run According to several other magazines, the new Interceptor actually improves significantly at under 7,000 rpm's torque measures (due to the restriction in the number of actuating valves as opposed to the older model which runs on all four throughout the entire range), while for some reason, they all agree the power snapping effect starting at precisely 7,000 rpm (V-TEC trigger point) is not noticeable in stationay testing (whether running it in neutral at over 7,000 rpms or at the dyno). It could be that some ram air induction pressure is missing in measuring power distribution as compared to riding the bike on the road. I was sold on the bike once I saw the interesting video at MCN. The sound and power snapping become apparent and really exciting. I am definitely going for a test run on this one (shame it still does not come with a larger displacement engine!)

12-22-2001, 02:44 AM	#23
Sparky Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 54	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run Agreed. Gear driven cams were a definite plus in the VFR. They offer much more precise valve timing than a chain.

12-22-2001, 03:44 AM	#24
plastics Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run Earlier on, I scan some Dyna chart somewhere from the Honda factory which shows a huge area under the curve for the 02 VFR, which suggest that the VTEC technology really works. Shocking is my reaction from seeing Mimimi dyno run..it's hardly any difference compare to the 01 VFR! I can't wait until a demo ride on the 02 VFR to see for myself whether this VTEC is worth all it is crack up to be. I like the new underseat pipes, the more aggressive springs, new look etc, but the engine has to have more grunt for me to trade in my 95 VFR. Plastics

12-22-2001, 04:54 AM	#25
yellowduc Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 6	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run Hello, the bike is ugly. I think Honda in general has lost it's charm and appeal. Their technical objectives are not driven by rider's inputs. This bike's technical features are questionable throughout. Looks like a science project. YellowDuc

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12-22-2001, 05:25 AM	#26
Vlad Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 296	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run A second amen. I have a 98 VFR. My only complaint is that it's a little porky and my right foot gets a bit warm at times. So they made the new one heavier. It's also ugly and they replaced the bevel drive with a chain. If Honda really wants to improve the VFR, go back to the 1998-2001 model and put it on a diet and add 43mm inverted forks and factory hard bags. Meanwhile, I will stick to the best all-around bike ever made, 'specially since it's already in my garage. Vlad

12-22-2001, 06:31 AM	#27
two_wheels Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 7	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run well, looking at the dyno chart, i to am dissapointed.....wasent this thing suppose to have up to an extra 10 foot ponds below 7 grand...also, this thing has been regeared, perhaps to coverup the blunder that the vtec does very little...

12-22-2001, 08:29 AM	#28
Charlie Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 12	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run The new VFR is not improved enough to justify upgrading an existing VFR. I agree with most of these guys, Honda should have spent their VFR R&D budget on more displacement and an adjustable suspension. I also wonder how thrashed and or poorly broken in was the 2002 that was used in this dyno test?

12-22-2001, 10:06 AM	#29
drandall Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 26	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run This is hilarious; I can't stand technology for technology's sake. Looks like I can get a deal on a '98+ vfr800, spend a grand on the suspension, and still be thousands ahead!

12-22-2001, 12:04 PM	#30
starvingstudent Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 486	Re: Year 2002 VFR Interceptor Dyno Run It's not what I'd own, but the new Veefer is darned attractive. Love the nose section, and it's about time Honda realized that a single-sided rear swingarm needs to be shown off. If you got it, flaunt it, right? Honda must own stock in a company that only produces red paint though. I know it's company colors and all, but PUHLEEZE give us something different. Can you imagine a 2-tone black-and-silver VFR?