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lukam · 02-09-2005, 05:52 AM

Thank you Japan Inc. for listening to an American named Deming... unlike the americans who only listened to their wallets........

pdad13 · 02-09-2005, 07:21 AM

Very true. But they not only listened, they practiced what Deming preached. Isn't ironic that American manufacturers only caught on after getting their brains beaten out?

And as consumers in a free market economy (issues of dumping in the 70s aside for now), we're supposed to listen to our wallets.

How do you think the American auto industry improved? Do you think that all of the executives from the Big Three woke up one morning and thought, all at the same time, "Ya know, we've been selling some crappy cars for awhile because the American people have no other choice than to buy them. I'm in a good mood today, so let's build some better cars. What the hell, right?"

For that matter, do you think that's how Harleys got better? I'm pretty sure it didn't happen that way.

Wanna really be horrified? Look at the crap that the people of the old Soviet bloc were forced to drive and ride because they allowed no real competition.

"Yes comrade, I've got a beautiful 1990 olive drab, 19hp Ural. I must rebuild it every 3000 miles, and carry a bucket of oil every place I go, but it is made in the great U.S.S.R.! Let the capitalist pig dogs ride the decadent Japanese machines. Someday, after the workers' revolution, they will dream of owning a Ural."

Now think of all the excellent bikes we have to choose from today, no matter where they originate from.

(By the way, if I'm not mistaken, many Honda products, including motorcycles, are designed and built, at least in part, by Americans. The same goes for the other Big Four manufacturers.)

lukam · 02-09-2005, 08:30 AM

Actually I was too lazy to write out the long explanation that you did, but yes the Japanese HAD to practice what Deming preached because they did produce pretty crappy stuff in a war torn country in the 50s and early 60s. Unlike the American companies who became complacent with making money no matter what they produced...autos, steel, electronics, etc..... there was no real motivation to implement Demings ideas until better products mainly from japan kicked american executives in the butt to start competing with other manufacturers around the world. Imagine if a single industry in America would have adopted Demings statistical tools in the 50s or 60s things would look a lot different now....

pdad13 · 02-09-2005, 09:24 AM

So you go and make we write all that crap?

Anyway, I agree totally. American (and European/British) manufacturers had no real incentive to build anything better. Until the Japanese came along, that is.

DaveFla · 02-10-2005, 06:22 AM

Is this a good time to remember what happened when the Honda V4s were first introduced, now around twenty years ago?

Anastasey · 02-13-2005, 10:29 AM

Could a bought an 05 LT!!!!!!!!!

trailduster440 · 02-25-2005, 12:33 PM

No, Actually I heard they just bought a whole truckload of J B Weld to be distributed to all of the dealerships doing the repairs, because it has a better HOLD rating than thier factory welds do.

AddictDan · 09-17-2005, 05:00 PM

I'm new here but has anyone checked all Motorcycle recalls?

Check this site and look at 2005 models, no Hondas there!

http://motorcycles.about.com/cs/moto...otorecalls.htm

However about every Harley made has a recall on it and even the BMW's have recalls on them. Looks like all the bashers need to take a look and see who is in the lead!

02-09-2005, 05:52 AM	#51
lukam Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 54	Re: Sorry, I got here late, looks-like a good-one... Thank you Japan Inc. for listening to an American named Deming... unlike the americans who only listened to their wallets........

02-09-2005, 07:21 AM	#52
pdad13 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,733	Re: Sorry, I got here late, looks-like a good-one... Very true. But they not only listened, they practiced what Deming preached. Isn't ironic that American manufacturers only caught on after getting their brains beaten out? And as consumers in a free market economy (issues of dumping in the 70s aside for now), we're supposed to listen to our wallets. How do you think the American auto industry improved? Do you think that all of the executives from the Big Three woke up one morning and thought, all at the same time, "Ya know, we've been selling some crappy cars for awhile because the American people have no other choice than to buy them. I'm in a good mood today, so let's build some better cars. What the hell, right?" For that matter, do you think that's how Harleys got better? I'm pretty sure it didn't happen that way. Wanna really be horrified? Look at the crap that the people of the old Soviet bloc were forced to drive and ride because they allowed no real competition. "Yes comrade, I've got a beautiful 1990 olive drab, 19hp Ural. I must rebuild it every 3000 miles, and carry a bucket of oil every place I go, but it is made in the great U.S.S.R.! Let the capitalist pig dogs ride the decadent Japanese machines. Someday, after the workers' revolution, they will dream of owning a Ural." Now think of all the excellent bikes we have to choose from today, no matter where they originate from. (By the way, if I'm not mistaken, many Honda products, including motorcycles, are designed and built, at least in part, by Americans. The same goes for the other Big Four manufacturers.)

02-09-2005, 08:30 AM	#53
lukam Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 54	Re: Sorry, I got here late, looks-like a good-one... Actually I was too lazy to write out the long explanation that you did, but yes the Japanese HAD to practice what Deming preached because they did produce pretty crappy stuff in a war torn country in the 50s and early 60s. Unlike the American companies who became complacent with making money no matter what they produced...autos, steel, electronics, etc..... there was no real motivation to implement Demings ideas until better products mainly from japan kicked american executives in the butt to start competing with other manufacturers around the world. Imagine if a single industry in America would have adopted Demings statistical tools in the 50s or 60s things would look a lot different now....

02-09-2005, 09:24 AM	#54
pdad13 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,733	Re: Sorry, I got here late, looks-like a good-one... So you go and make we write all that crap? Anyway, I agree totally. American (and European/British) manufacturers had no real incentive to build anything better. Until the Japanese came along, that is.

02-10-2005, 06:22 AM	#55
DaveFla Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 328	Re: Clipped Wings Is this a good time to remember what happened when the Honda V4s were first introduced, now around twenty years ago?

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02-13-2005, 10:29 AM	#56
Anastasey Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5	Re: What the F$%^!!! Could a bought an 05 LT!!!!!!!!!

02-25-2005, 12:33 PM	#57
trailduster440 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3	Re: Clipped Wings No, Actually I heard they just bought a whole truckload of J B Weld to be distributed to all of the dealerships doing the repairs, because it has a better HOLD rating than thier factory welds do.

09-17-2005, 05:00 PM	#58
AddictDan Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1	Re: Clipped Wings I'm new here but has anyone checked all Motorcycle recalls? Check this site and look at 2005 models, no Hondas there! http://motorcycles.about.com/cs/moto...otorecalls.htm However about every Harley made has a recall on it and even the BMW's have recalls on them. Looks like all the bashers need to take a look and see who is in the lead!