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Old 12-18-2006, 04:15 PM   #21
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Default Don't worry about it.

Have you actually talked to motorcycle mechanics? Where does anyone get the idea that they are smarter than anyone else? If they can do it, you can do it. If you are concerned then just set the valves to the looser end of the tolerance. Just follow the manual instructions exactly. That's what the mechanics do. There's no magic about it. I've done loads of bikes and cars using manuals and never had a problem.



Modern valves seldom go out of whack after you get a few thousand miles on them. I've had bikes go 40K miles without needing an adjustment.
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Old 12-18-2006, 04:32 PM   #22
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Default Re: To Ducati or Not To Ducati?

I'll bet after a few miles get put on the Duck that the Beemer will become the 2nd bike.
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Old 12-18-2006, 04:34 PM   #23
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Default Ducati maintenance costs over-rated

My experience is that, while maintenance costs are higher than some other bikes (but not for BMW), most of the horror stories about the cost of owning a Ducati are just that... horror stories.



In practice, the valves tend to settle in, and after the first valve adjustment most of my riding friends (high mileage ST2/3/4s owners) find that they only need to attend to the bi-annual cam belt change. The mechanicals of Ducati bikes tend to be pretty robust, and are capable of pretty high mileages (my regular riding partner averages 20,000 miles a year on his bike).



If you are interested in doing your own maintenance and valve adjustments, I would recommend LT Snyder's book, which you can get at www.desmotimes.com Another good source for manuals is www.duc.nu/manuals



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Old 12-18-2006, 04:40 PM   #24
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Default Re: Don't worry about it.

"Modern valves seldom go out of whack after you get a few thousand miles on them. I've had bikes go 40K miles without needing an adjustment. "



Aaaaaah, don't say that about Ducatis! If you neglect the valves, bad things happen, like broken stems and dropped valves for one - horrible stuff. The valve adjustments are frequent for a reason, the setup of the desmodromic actuation leads to more shifts in clearance. The situation is remedied by getting EMS / MBP collets, which are precision machined and more durable than Ducati half-ring collets (and cover more surface area around the stem), and extend the adjustment interval to nearly 20 000 miles.



The problem with 4V adjustment is it requires many steps, and if the closers need adjusting the entire assembly must be taken apart (cams out, rockers out, shims and collets off, etc). 2V is much simpler - but both are straightforward, just time consuming. There are two shims on each valve, and two measurements for clearance - one for the top opener rocker, the other for the bottom closer rocker. Just imagine everything doubled in a normal valve setup, and half of it upside down, and you have an idea of what is involved. I was nervous at first too but the shop I work at used to be a Duc dealer in the bevel-head era and my boss gave me the real story. It's simple.



Now, 7500 miles (6000 for pre-06 models) is a "check" interval, it doesn't mean that they will require adjustment. But it helps if you expect it anyway.



If you have it done at a shop, expect 500$ for a full 6K/7.5K service on a 2V, 1000$ on a 4V. Some places are much more reasonable (I've heard 250-450$ respectively from one reputable shop) but in general dealers charge a lot. Why? Because they can.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:01 PM   #25
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I'm really sorry. I was having a bad day.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:21 PM   #26
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Default Re: To Ducati or Not To Ducati?

I'll bet with you. Made the same comment below about the RT having more garage time.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:22 PM   #27
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I own an '05 S2R 800 Monster and am quite happy with it. The 1000 with adjustable forks and about another 20 hp is really da bomb!! My dealer was upfront with me about service costs as I was concerned with this also. They printed out what they did at each service and told me what to expect for cost. My first service was about $280 which included an oil change using full synth--Motul 300V. Labor was a little over $200 and parts about $80 for fuel and oil filters, washers, and oil. They said the next service cost depended on whether the valves needed adjustment and if so, how many. Cost might be $500-700.



Ducati is aware of their reputation for high maintenance costs and supposedly implemented better tooling that results in lower costs--they say up to 50% less and somewhere on the Monsterlist someone said there are pricing guidelines that dealers are supposed to use, so they should be able to tell you what to expect on '07 bikes. ProItalia in Glendale CA sells a video they produced showing how to adjust 2-valve desmos:



http://store.proitalia.com/vid1.html



I've seen it and it seems like something any experienced mechanic can do. I borrowed it from a guy that has been doing his own valves for years.



Definitely check out the Monsterlist. Some owners have experienced a fueling issue that some people have solved by disconnecting the O2 sensor, plugging the lines, and then disconnecting the battery for a short time. Disconnecting the battery makes the ECU reset itself differently. You can probably find the thread by searching for O2 sensor.



Here's a link to a review by another Ducatista that rides a 999:



http://twistingasphalt.com/index.php...nition-of-fun/



It's not a really critical review, but from what I've read there's not much to dislike about the S2R1000. Do it! Ducati's are amazing!
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:27 PM   #29
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"Ducati's are amazing!"



And you get to buy those so-sweet-they'll-make-you-weep vintage Ducati jackets.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:28 PM   #30
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Get two Ducatis and a Moto Guzzi. Then when it's time to decide which one to ride, play Duc-Duc-Goose.
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