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anrajala 09-11-2006 09:36 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
Yeah yeah so terrible these japanese bikes. But hey, if you have a Nighthawk and suffer a broken gearshif drum, you get it from the knackeryard. Cool.



I got all the parts even for my Kawi H2 gearbox from the States with almost no money at all - and this is a pretty rare bike worth something today. I guess many of them were crashed in its time. On promise, I had to pay with a bankers cheque and the bank took almost as big special cheque preapartion fee than the parts were worth.



- cruiz-euro

seruzawa 09-11-2006 09:38 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
I don't know what use patients would be. Sick people aren't very helpful. If they are mental patients (like KP) then they'll be more likely to hinder the proccess.

seruzawa 09-11-2006 09:49 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
I've never said that Japanese bikes are terrible... just throwaway.



For every old model that has collector value there are hundred entirely worthless ones. All in the scrap heap.

ksquid 09-11-2006 09:54 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
LOL good one..Probably why my dad prefer to fix stuff alone without the help of my brother and I .. Mom said it was because he was a perfectionist but now I know the bitter truth... Thanks seuzero..for making my day..

ksquid 09-11-2006 09:58 AM

Good article idea: Harley vs Metric Cruiser or Buell vs Ninja total cost of ownership
 
With all of the anti-Japanese bike banter of the GPTB seems like a great article would be study of total cost of ownership of various bikes like the Car mags do. Of course with HD you have to include all the official HD arm chaps, etc. in the equation. Doesn't Night Hawk have self adjusted valves?

Tadgh 09-11-2006 10:14 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
kind of off topic here but;



heres a thing i always thought curious...i understand jap bikes are high volume sellers and generally as far as harleys go pretty cheap...

so how do they fund all the r&d into the state of the art weapons they compete with each other on....and the race sponsorships etc....



i know they have all the other components of their companies but surely the motorcycle divisions have to make stand alone profits?



compared then to harley for example ..which i am guessing has a limited r&d budget..well i assume there has being no radical steps which they have been to the forefront of....so they make huge profits right? i mean their only major cost is labour right ? ..are these bikes made in the US or just assembled there?



so i am always amazed at the prices commanded by harleys from the factory....even in europe with a weak dollar....is this the ultimate triumph of marketing ??

bmw would strike me as a very similar operation ...up to recently only one major engine but a lot of technology on the suspension brakes gizmos etc..high german labour costs ..high reliability ..high tech-ish..and the corresponding high cost



jap bikes ..high reliability ..high tech ..and resonably high japanese labour costs......low price



harley ...dont know about reliabilty in terms of high mileage commuting..low tech ...high labour costs ?? and sky high price....



i am not favouring any bike in particular having ridden all sorts my self ...but surely the ultimate con is to sell a disposable bike at a very high price and hence all repair work is considered cost effective ??




Tadgh 09-11-2006 10:22 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
h2 great :)



my friend did one up recently ....took me for a spin ..wild bike....flexible frame ..skinny tires ..*brakes* of a sort...and great feeling when it came on the pipe :) ..have fun with it [b]:)

anrajala 09-11-2006 10:25 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
Do it yourself. If you don´t, I suggest you sell it on the e-bay and move on to origami. My advice is



1) do it in the comfort of your room, whatever your mom/wife/gay partner says

2) get a manual

3) get a case of beer

4) take your time



It actually grows on you, tinkering with the project. Unlike some people are claiming, parts are not expensive. Cyclebandit´s price for the complete drum is 150 bucks which is not much, at least if you compare to high class call girl in Vegas. And you can get much cheaper from a salvage yard. Which are full of japanese bikes as mentioned before. Which is a good thing if you own a japanese bike.



- cruiz-euro


seruzawa 09-11-2006 10:31 AM

Re: Gearshift Drum Repair Questions
 
It's trite but true that something is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Back in the 70's and 80's you could get a used HD big twin for a couple thousand bucks. But still you didn't find them in junkyards.



As far as "modern tech" goes the main features of Japanese engines were all developed before 1920. The true modern tech is the metallurgy and production techniques that allow the production of motorcycles that run far more than 100,000 miles without rebuilds. Since almost any bike you buy today, including HD, will run over 100,000 miles any bike uses "modern tech".



Only the ignorant or stupid believe that an inline-4 is "modern" and a pushrod V-twin is somehow "ancient".



The only really new thing in the last decade is widespread use of EFI. And everyone uses it. And most still have carbbed bikers too including the Japanese. Guess the Big4 use "old tech" too when it's convenient.



In any case all this is in the eye of the beholder. One guy thinks that his throwaway sportbike is a great deal because he gets 100+ hp pretty cheaply. Another guy thinks that his Harley is a great deal because he can keep it running for 20 years or more. Both are right. And both are modern bikes that use decades old tech because it works.

v4bryan 09-11-2006 10:33 AM

funding R&D
 
If I had to guess I'd say that the cruiser sales from the Big Four funds their R&D: I can't believe that there is $3,000 more R&D in a VTX ($14,000) than in a CBR1000RR ($11,000).



Bryan...I'm open to other suggestions, though...


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