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Old 02-09-2001, 07:41 AM   #71
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Default Re: Hey, me too GSparky !!

Well? Did you find the deer?? Good post. I too would be dead (or almost certainly so) THREE different times if I did not wear protective gear while riding. It's a very sobering experience to look at a totally caved-in helmet that you just took your head out of. (These were back in my motocross days, not on a street bike or on the street, luckily enough.)



It's a given that wearing a helmet is the safest choice. A no-brainer (pardon the kinda ironic pun there...). I'd never ride without one. However, should society force people to be safe? If you take that further, why not full body armor, or maybe no bike riding at all? I know that's going a bit far, but still. I think people have the right to be stupid, as long as it doesn't cost society extra. I guess there's the crux of the issue.



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Old 02-09-2001, 08:16 AM   #72
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Default Re: Helmet Law Repeal Stats

tuba --



If memory serves, that same report shows the deaths per 100,000 caged miles going down.



Regardless, that biker deaths per mile are going up saddens me, I've had too many friends die, and statistically, many of those that're are going to get it are MO readers!



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Old 02-09-2001, 08:19 AM   #73
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Default Nope, can't do that....

It would be ridiculous to drive around a huge, armored brinks truck with only one passenger! Think about the horrible mileage, large amounts of pollution, and intimidation of lesser motorists that would occurr!!! For the love of God, man, THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!!
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:22 AM   #74
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Anyone want to comment on Britain's ban on dark face shields. Now what if that was passed in your state? Not only did they ban them from the street but are prosecuting store owners for selling them. Just to save fools from riding with them on at night. When does it end.
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:31 AM   #75
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Why the heck can't the just write you a ticket if you're caught wearing one at night? Geez.



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Old 02-09-2001, 08:38 AM   #76
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Helmets are meant to protect your skull and brain from injury when your head hits the ground, or possibly glancing blows off of other objects, found in many motorcycle accidents. Anybody remember Gary Busey? Anyway, if your helmeted head smacks squarely into something solid at 30 or 40 mph, your brain will be a mushy pulp. Me? I'll wear a helmet every time, helmet law or not. I don't ride off road without one either, although I could. I have ridden a 3-wheeler without one, and I probably shouldn't have.
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:44 AM   #77
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Default Thanks Dan!

I didn't have the willpower to apply myself and actually go check the statistics, but these kind of stories always leave me feeling that some extremely relevant information was left out. As always, the proponets of further regulation never let the facts get in the way of their agenda. No stone is unturned, no nook..... uncrannied in the mission to manipulate, distort, omit, and outright lie about information pursuant to the issue at hand.



I for one believe that it is grossly irresponsible to ride without a helmet. I am considering telling a few of my buddies, guys who occasionally insist on going for helmetless rides, to not bother picking me up when that is the case. I don't want to be there to see their brains splattered all over the road. I will plead with them as their friend not to do it, however, I will never ask the government to point a gun at them and tell them to put on their helmet.
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:47 AM   #78
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Actually, socialized medicine, as we have in Canada is a prime argument for imposing on personal freedom, as in seatbelts, helmets, liquor and cigarette taxes and drug prohibition. Since society as a whole picks up the tab for the care of the injured, society as a whole has an interest in your activities. Of course, others will then point out that people do all sorts of stupid things that endanger their lives, but most of them don't involve public roads, and so are unregulated. ie heli-skiing, rock climbing, white water rafting, skydiving, sedentary lifestyles, bad diet, etc etc. It is interesting to note, however, that most people involved in other adventure sports seem to be aware of the true extent of the dangers involved, and use the safety gear available.
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:48 AM   #79
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A few things to consider.



1) Most (I believe even all states) have laws regarding seat belt usage, and child seats. Are these also bad ideas? Should we repeal these laws too? (Surprisingly Ohio repealed its helmet law about the same time the passed the seatbelt law.)



2) I think if we want to allow people to ride without a helmet, they should pay a premium on their insurance, above any general premium we may all be paying for riding a motorcycle. I think that is better than allowing them to not wear one, and having the rates go up for everybody. (I don't have any evidence that this happens, if anybody does I would be interested to see it.)



3) I don't particularly care for lots of the laws that exist, but I realize they are there for the general good and safety of all of us. I think the speed limits are too low in some places. So you know what I do, I drive faster and expect to pay the consequences if I get caught.



If you don't want to wear a seatbelt, don't. Your choice. If you get pulled over, you can be sighted for it.



This may all sound extreme. I'm not generally in favor of govermnent interference. Not even with helmet laws, but the way in which people argue against them is just stupid.



For the one guy who said something about "Do you force people who ride in your car to wear a seatbelt, who gets the ticket, etc. Hey, its my car, if somebody wants to ride with me, they wear a seatbelt. Same goes for riding motorcycles. I refuse to ride with anybody that doesn't wear a helmet. My choice.
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:50 AM   #80
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Excellent! One of those moments when the snappy answer occurs to you when you need it, not half an hour later. I love it!
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