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Old 02-12-2001, 06:22 AM   #161
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If I had my way a driver's license of any kind would be at least as difficult to get as a private pilot's license. And why shouldn't it be? If ALL the general aviation non-commercial aircraft in the skies at any given moment crashed it wouldn't amount to a drop in the bucket compared to the carnage on our highways. Yet we let people trained to drive in a subcompact driver's ed car get behind the wheel of a clumsy lumbering 3-ton SUV and assume it drives exactly the same way without any additional training, then blame the manufacturer when these idiots kill somebody or get themselves killed.



But politically the idea of much stricter license requirements and retesting (a very touchy issue where there are many senior citizens) has a snowball's chance in hell. It seems most people are willing to tolerate X amount of carnage as long as they can blame somebody else for it happening. Like motorcyclists, for example.
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Old 02-12-2001, 07:12 AM   #162
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I disagree. Chucky D. would definitely have been a Shoei guy...
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Old 02-12-2001, 09:39 AM   #163
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You are not the only ones reading this. It is not boring, no matter how wrong I believe you are, Gabe... that's one of the things that makes the U.S. a great nation, we have the right to express our wrong opinions.



Seriously, though... I believe Abe is right, insofar as that socialist ideas HAVE been creeping into our society for a long time, and I don't like it. Somewhere we've gotten the idea that the "Father knows best" attitude that the government has been assuming is the right thing. I do believe that we NEED systems like Medicaid and Welfare, because most people need a helping hand once in a while. However, those systems seriously need to be revamped and restructured. My former sister-in-law used welfare to help support her and her son while she was in school, improving herself and her chance to better her standard of living, and that's precisely the thing it was designed for. So... you're both right, and you're both wrong about aspects of the same question. In my (government sanctioned) humble opinion.



Oh, and to quote a charachter of one of my favorite authors:



You can expect peace, or you can expect freedom. Don't ever expect both.

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Old 02-12-2001, 12:03 PM   #164
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If you don't like helmet laws, it should be argued that it's about personal freedom. Which leaves the insurance question unanswered: Should bikers that don't wear a DOT-approved helmet pay higher premiums?



What's wrong with the following position?



If you don't wear a helmet, and have an accident, the ambulance/EMS crew can simply leave you where your accident happened.



After all, you selected the "no helmet" route, why can they (ambulance/EMS) not select the "no help" route?



This solves the insurance premium problem, without sticking the helmeted riders with the bill. In addition, if the accident is reported with the "no helmet" status, a hearse could be sent instead, saving untold monies.



BTW I hold the same opinion of unbelted drivers.
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Old 02-12-2001, 01:13 PM   #165
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If you'd like a say in how (your) money is spent for hospitalization for people like your friend riding a bike lidless, I hope your argument is as strong against state-funded abortions paid for by all of us too. A "helmet" there would prevent some accidents too, right? To one degreee or the other both are life and death decisions, right? That's why I pay insurance..it's an agreement to take care of me should I have an accident..whether it's my fault or not, they should pay. It's a contract.
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Old 02-12-2001, 01:22 PM   #166
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For those in favor of insurance surcharges for those not wearing helmets..how about a surcharge for all the SUVs, especially ones running on Firestones. They must be a "public burden" too. After all, the insurance companies' lobbyists wouldn't lie to us would they?
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Old 02-13-2001, 02:53 AM   #167
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I agree with you completely. I guess I just get sucked into this argument when all of the guys that don't want to wear helmets start arguing that it's not really less safe than wearing a helmet. If people want to go without helmets because "you can", fine. But you can't give me a good reason not to wear a helmet.



Like you said, these laws will never affect me, except to cause me to point out the idiots riding around damaging their hearing, getting cracked in the face by dragonflies, and risking grinding all the skin off their heads for no good reason. Does it really enhance the experience of riding that much? I think it takes away from it.
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Old 02-13-2001, 02:56 AM   #168
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OK, now we can talk about the difference between plain misspelling and typos . . .



Relax, I was just being a smart-ass. I was only kidding and I apologize.
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Old 02-13-2001, 03:15 AM   #169
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Default Re: A few words from some prominent people.....

I agree 100%. I am for absolutely as much personal freedom as people will be responsible with. Making laws like these is a ridiculous waste of time, but so are the legal disclaimers that anything a consumer ever comes in contact with, has. The problem, as I see it, is that people aren't taking responsibility for themselves, in general. Why? Because the legal system does not require it of them. This is why I think there are limits to our "freedoms" that even good old Ben might agree with. Maybe Ben wouldn't want helmet laws specifically, I just feel like it trivializes his ideas to use them for this cause.



Personally, I don't really even want these laws on the books either, but it pisses me off to hear everyone trying to rationalize the reasons not to wear a helmet. In my opinion, there are no good reasons, as it detracts from the riding experience on many levels, including; the added unnecessary risk to my face and skull, the damage to my hearing, and projectiles impacting my face at high speed.
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Old 02-13-2001, 03:30 AM   #170
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Default Re: As a former BMXer...

To add: You're right, most BMXers only wear helmets when racing or riding ramps. Nobody wears them to ride dirt, street, or flat . As far as mtb'ers go, if I rode a bike clipped-in, leaning way the hell over the front of the bars, with little discernible bike control skill, it probably wouldn't take long for me to figure out that I need a helmet, either : )
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