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Old 01-27-2005, 06:16 AM   #1
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Although my arm hurts every time I hear the word "Dragon" or "Deal's Gap" (Triumph Sprint vs. Subaru; long story), it is a wonderful place to ride.



But not right now. Supposed to get up to 48 degrees today, and ice pellets are expected Saturday.



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Old 01-27-2005, 06:27 AM   #2
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There was a similar place here in SoCal until I just checked the webpage. Songdog got shutdown by the Gubment!

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Old 01-27-2005, 07:10 AM   #3
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Don't you feel safer now that the gubmint's little Hilters have protected you?
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:10 AM   #4
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I would protest the arrest of Mr. Reveley SongDog Ranch) had he shot McClelland and Walshon in the ass with rock salt as they were leaving his property.
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:33 AM   #5
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One quick read of county's letter, and the niggling list of zoning violations of a place in the middle of nowhere, and the proposed costs of mitigating them is a prime example of the ever increasing totality of government control in our every day lives. VWW
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:34 AM   #6
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According to the complaint the Song Dog Ranchwas closed because of building code and land use violations including discharging gray water to the exterior, unaproved potable water system, apparently failing septic system, non-code wiring, no smoke detectors, no propane shut-off......



And the place is zoned agricultural in the first place. How in the hell did they expect to stay in business like that? I'd have shut them down myself.
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Old 01-27-2005, 08:01 AM   #7
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These were not "minor" violations of building and zoning codes. These were major and a few had the potential to adversely affect both guests and neighbors. I think had there been anything to work with the local P&Z might have tried to work things out. But sometimes things are just totally out of bounds and if the authorities ignore something like this they open the floodgates for things far worse.



We live in a crowded world and unfortunately you just don't get to do whatever you want to with your property anymore and damn everyone else, even up here in the sticks, and especially not in Santa Barbara county, CA!



The legacy of the keep your nose out of it approach up here in Idaho is half a dozen superfund sites, lions and tigers running around a small town just south of here, and lots of undrinkable groundwater. It's a shame, but sometimes even well-intentioned people can cause a lot of mischief.



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Old 01-27-2005, 09:04 AM   #8
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Sarnali, discharging "gray water" is a common occurrence in rural areas. The gray water in question was probably just the runoff from the showers, and perhaps a washing machine. Neither of which is an environmental hazard on the dry 160 acre remote parcel in question. In fact the so called failing septic system, which I doubt was any more of a pollution factor than an "approved" (read money paid to the county coffers here) system, would actually work better without the bleach and soap from the gray water being introduced into it. Have you ever been to Cuyama? The area there is mostly parched remote high desert foothills. Take a look a the pictures on the website. BTW every remote home has a propane shut off at the tank. The "unproved potable water system " ( again read more money paid to the county) was no different than those found in most truly rural homesteads, and most likely provided much healthier water than the dreck that come out of the faucets in large metropolitan water districts. Believe it or not people can survive just fine without continuous government monitoring. VWW
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:32 AM   #9
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I have a cabin on 9 acres in the Manti-LaSal mountains of central Utah. It is in an old developement. There is no electricity, sewers, phones.. anything. I have an outhouse and a solar power system. A 350 gallon water tank that I fill myself from by hauling secondary water from town provides washing water. The County charges me 1% property tax... the assessment amount is falsely high....and provides absolutely no services at all.



Fortunately for me my cabin is grandfathered. New cabins have to be built with full-code 220V two phase wiring. All codes for a suburban home have to be met. No electricity, remember? People who build generally add a propane system to provide lights and use wood stoves in the winter while leaving the wires dangling outside.



If you can't find water on your lot by drilling you cannot build any new construction (though the County is happy to allow you to buy it as a building lot and tax it as one).



I'm well aware of the greed of these govt entities which take and take and take for the single purpose of providing jobs for themselves and their friends and relatives. We call them the San Pete County Mafia. A family full employment agency.
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Old 01-27-2005, 09:35 AM   #10
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So I supose that you prefer to stay at place that have expose wires (in damp areas it sounds like), grey water draining into your camp area, and a slew of structure that where most likely pounded together with old rusty nails and rotted wood found laying around?

Don't get me wrong, I not saying that the guvmnt is the answer to all problems, but this was not a homestead, this was a place of public accommodation. As such a minimum level of sanitation/safety should be expected.

Now they rip it all down, they can allow all the freinds they want to stay, at no charge.
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