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Old 01-27-2005, 10:59 AM   #11
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You're making a lot of assumptions. The gray water was "probably just" shower and washer run off, the water was "most likley" healthier,



While I doubt anyone is dumping effluant on the ground or gray water next to a potable water source, by not making sure waste water and potable water don't mix, you run the risk of contamination.



I'm aware propane tanks have a shut off at the tank, suppose the tank is on the other side of the property? My gas line has a shut off at the meter, also one at the furnace, and the hot water tank, and the fireplace. It's at least prudent to be able to isolate componants in a fuel train, and if you run a business then the fire code requires it.



Basic sanitary guidelines apply no matter where you live and exhist for the well being of everyone involved, resident and guest. It's not "government interferance" to require business's to contain their waste and follow legal requirements for building wiring, fire prevention and water supplies.







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Old 01-27-2005, 11:24 AM   #12
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Sarnali, I make those assumptions because I owned a remote 160 arce plot in No. Cal. and am intamatly aware of what goes on without government oversite in a rual setting. Think about it for a minute. This man lived there with his family and had numerous guests pay money to stay at this location for YEARS! His family and paying guests weren't getting sick from the water, nor were they contracting dysentary. or cholera from disease carrying effluent because he like most reasonable people took care to make sure that his loved ones and friends weren't put in danger. No one sufferd from burns due to the lack of a redundant propane system shut off because it just doesn't make sense to run propane long distances from where you use it. No one uses bare electrical wiring either. What he was using was Romex like most people wire their homes with. I did get a kick out of noknee's remark that the whole mess was made out of rotting wood and rusty nails. Again any reasonable human being expecting people to pay money to stay there wouldn't be so stupid. I am surprised that someone like you that has served in the military isn't more aware that "one size fits all" rules are often ridiculous. VWW
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:29 AM   #13
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The tone of her letter sounds more like, "how dare you build an enterprise on this land without consulting us first". He stepped on her toes and she's pissed.
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Old 01-27-2005, 11:41 AM   #14
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Being a city slicker or suburbanite all my life I really can't comment on living in a rural setting. And I've never been to the SongDog Ranch so I don't know anymore about them than I read in the commision's report. I'm sure they are intelligent well meaning people.



However if they're going to run it as a business, they have to follow the legal requirements of that business, it appears they were not.



I don't agree that the nanny state needs to be involved with every aspect of our lives, but if you're going to run a guest accomodation, then your buildings and grounds have to meet the minimum criteria for establishments of that nature.



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Old 01-27-2005, 11:59 AM   #15
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I've never stayed there but purchased some RevPack gear once. It was nicely made but didn't fit my bike properly and they gave me a refund and were quite friendly.



Some local HOG clubs have gone there before. Everything I've heard is that they are nice folks trying to be biker friendly.



I'm guessing the zoning dweeb doesn't ride.
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:16 PM   #16
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If by minimum criteria you mean a safe clean place for guests to stay, I would reply that the owner of Sundog Ranch has by his record, of safely running the place for many years, met those criteria. You know that restraunts are built to government standards, and routinly inspected by government personel, yet on several occasions I have become quite ill after eating at them. I'll take a conciencious business owner over government minions anyday. VWW
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:21 PM   #17
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I'd been there once with the So Cal Sportster group; wrote my first story for MO about the place... very friendly and rather sad to hear many months ago about the loss of the biker camping spot along Route 33... couldn't argue w/ the reasons however. Sure, I can rough it with the best of them... but government rules are rules! Oh well....

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Old 01-27-2005, 12:36 PM   #18
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Well you photos prove it Fonzie. A definate unsanitary shythole constucted from rusty nails and rotten timber. Did the owner hold a gun on you to make your group feign good time? I sure am glad that the government came to the rescue and shut the place down before any more unsuspecting bikers were lured into that dangerous,unsanitary hellhole. VWW
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Old 01-27-2005, 12:46 PM   #19
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:06 PM   #20
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A chopped BSA Lightning?? Fonz, you are even cooler than I thought you were!!!
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