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sarnali 01-15-2005 03:43 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
IMO a smoke or color matched Zero Gravity or Double Bubble screen looks better than the Laminar Lip on the bike.

I had a smoke Z.G. on a ZX1000R that worked pretty good and looked great with the red and black color scheme. It was on there when I bought the bike so I can't say how it compared stock, but I didn't notice any XS noise or backpressure with it on.

Buzz_Waloch 01-15-2005 03:55 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I've got a Lip on my Ducati ST4 and it works pretty well. It seems to smooth the air-flow a bit and provide a bigger pocket of air. It ain't the prettiest contraption though.

I think LL's claims of "increased downforce" are a total joke.

sarnali 01-15-2005 04:15 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I've always wondered if just taking a hole saw and drilling a few 1 inch holes along the bottom of a stock windshield would do the same thing. My Bandit had a pressure relieving slot along the bottom of the shield and I felt no buffetting or back pressure at all. I didn't even need ear plugs with it, unlike my Trophy.

I've been planning on getting a short summer screen for my bike so maybe I'll try drilling it and see what happens. I don't want to mess with my tall winter screen 'cause it's nice on these 29 degree mornings.

Outlander 01-15-2005 05:54 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I had the ZG on my FZ-1 and it improved airflow quite a bit for me. The "for me" part is the key because everyone's individual size makes all the difference.

There are some positive reviews on the laminar lip over at motorcycle-usa where they put it on a couple of the bikes in their 'Reality bikes' shootout.

Jake18 01-15-2005 06:37 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I would liike to know if anyone has combined the Zero Gravity Touring with a Laminar Lip Touring and what the results were.

redtale 01-15-2005 09:17 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
After putting 110,000 miles on a '98 SuperHawk, I decided to try a couple of ZG screens. The "DoubleBubble" version seemed to be very little different from the stock, lowish, screen aside from looking pretty good in "dark smoke". The Sport Touring screen, however, provides significantly better wind protection. There is about the same amount of minor buffeting as the stock screen but it occurs several inches higher and I can get below it with only a slight crouch during high speed (90+) riding instead of going to a full race tuck. BTW I'm 6'2". ZG also has a "return if not satisfied policy" on their Touring screens. One additional suggestion: go for the "light smoke" or clear (as opposed to "Dark"). The screen is tall enough that you occasionally need to look through it and the Dark screen is almost opaque.

I wish I'd put this on 100,000 miles ago.

Holy_Kaw 01-15-2005 09:42 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
The best thing I've noticed to reduce buffeting while riding is Lose the fairing! and stay away from Semi's. A good riding suit gives me all the comfort I need. Ride NAKED!!!

Holy_Kaw 01-15-2005 09:54 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
The old Windjammer fairing had those "pop-out" vents down low and that seemed to work well. As far as riding in the cold... go electric baby, it rocks! 29 degrees, that's obscene! 72F here, check ya'll later (step, step, step... the sound of a powerful 1200cc Kawasaki coming to life... the sound fades into the distance...).

Fenton 01-15-2005 12:46 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I tried the "lip" on a ZRX1200, the buffeting made my eyeballs vibrate. I was very pleased at how willing the Laminar guys were to refund my money. I have a ZG touring screen now and love it. FYI, my local shop did not have a part # for the taller screen in the current catalog. I used the ZG website.

Buzz_Waloch 01-15-2005 02:16 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
Too bad the sound never turns a corner! Watch out for the little old ladies.

Mean 01-15-2005 02:19 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I have a 1999 ZX-6e with a ST screen. It places the wind at about the middle of my helmet and on the edges of my shoulders. A definite improvement over the stock screen.


BackStreet 01-15-2005 02:24 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I've had the ZG Sport Touring on a Honda 600RR and a Honda 800 VFR. If I tuck just a little I am out of the wind. No noise. Nice

The Dark Smoke is too dark to look through at night. I just look over it.

Holy_Kaw 01-15-2005 04:11 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I'm convinced that the ZRX is getting a bum rap in the handling department. While I wouldn't contend it is a "Good" handling Motorcycle, properly adjusted I don't think it's "Bad".

When I first got mine and was pushing it slowly harder and harder to find a baseline before adjusting it's fully adjustable suspension I thought it's handling was "funky". When I went to start making adjustments I found out that the settings weren't balanced on both the front and rear. It is EASY to mis-adjust some of the settings. It was also slightly out of alignment. After taking the time to learn how to properly adjust the suspension and "perfectly" aligning it I was rewarded with a Motorcycle that I think handles "decently". It's roadholding seems fine on less than smooth pavement in corners and if the rear steps out it doesn't seem to upset the bike too badly IMHO. When Sean rode it he thought it felt significantly better than the test bike he had ridden. Decent handling combined with "good" brakes and "Killer" drives out of corners mean ZRX's can Really hustle on down any road IMHO.

seruzawa 01-15-2005 04:14 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
Anyone who thinks that any modern sport standard "can't handle" should try a MachIII.

jungkvist 01-15-2005 05:17 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
aka, What's that thing layin out there in my field?

pattonme 01-15-2005 05:26 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
29F? You think that's cold? I ride every day in Chicago. Record so far was 2F. Thursday.

longride 01-16-2005 02:03 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
You got it. Tell these wimps what REAL cold is!

Buzz_Waloch 01-16-2005 02:59 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I wasn't questioning the ZRX's ability to go around corners. Since you live in FL, I was questioning your ability to FIND corners.

sarnali 01-16-2005 03:11 AM

Re: "But it's a dry cold"
Yesterday was 29 and dry when I left for work, when I got off it had warmed up to 33 but it started raining mixed with ice pellets.

As it was above freezing and traffic the roads were wet but not icy. Just another winter ride here, my JR Ballistic 4.0, stylin' Triumph fleece jacket and SIDI's did their job and kept me warm and dry.

My TourMaster winter gloves however leaked and got my fingers cold. I've only had them 15 years and they've already got a few holes in them.

I think I'll send them a nasty letter

seruzawa 01-16-2005 03:20 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
No problem, Buzz. Everybody's so conditioned by KPail's unending diatribes that they just jump the gun and assume that you are asserting that nothing but a race replica is worth riding.

seruzawa 01-16-2005 03:23 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
REAL cold is the polar wind coming off Siberia while you're standing ouside on watch off Kamchatka. Ever seen salt water freeze and make a ship topheavy?


sarnali 01-16-2005 03:25 AM

Re: Well there ya go
Just shows Chicago Pollocks don't feel the cold.

Prob'ly all that crappy beer and sausage.

sarnali 01-16-2005 03:27 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
Not so fast Grasshopper...

The ZRX is a race replica, Eddie Lawson rode one in the early 80's superbike races

sarnali 01-16-2005 03:34 AM

Re: Blue Nose
I spent some time in the Arctic Circle and North Atlantic, when you're wearing wool longjohns, dungarees, O.D. coveralls and a foul weather jacket to stand fireroom watches you know you've arrived. The lowest I saw was 35 degree water in the sea scoop

One of the few times I felt sorry for airdales.

mile_eater 01-16-2005 04:02 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I fabricated my own laminar lip. A heat gun, a dremel tool, some 3m tape, and some time is all ya need.

whole project cost about 17 bucks.

After about 6 months of hard riding (150mph+ on occasion) it was starting to move around a little so I tood it off.

While it was on though... it turned the old 1000 effer into a goldwing. It was a beautiful thing. I painted the inside of it black... it really gave the old bike the transformer look!

longride 01-16-2005 04:35 AM

If it warmed up to 33 here, we'd call that summer. It's 4 right now with 40% humidity. That ain't dry. I've ridden all over the country, and you won't find cold that will penetrate your gear like this stuff. Ask people that have been through a cold Chicago winter. They ain't felt nothing like it.

Holy_Kaw 01-16-2005 05:46 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
Wasn't that aka the H2 Kawasaki 750 Triple? A motorcycle with infamous handling and killer of many good riders? When I rode those I didn't EVEN TRY to hurry around corners, they were however quite entertaining in a straight line (with Denco (SP?) pipes and ported). My personal LOW-water mark was set by a 1976 KZ400 (sleazy 400) Kawasaki. I never got used to that "hinge in the middle" feeling while the rear end was doing pogo-stick impressions. It's doggy engine (90MPH) completed it's charm. When the engine started to blow, at about 10,000 miles, I opened the throttle and downshifted as I slowed until it stopped for GOOD.

Holy_Kaw 01-16-2005 05:54 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
YEAH!!! Just call me Fast Daley! (OK Dale, time to wake up and take your Meds)

Holy_Kaw 01-16-2005 06:34 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
Oh... in that case... well... never mind... Hope to get to Moroso for a track day in March after the 200, miss the twisties. I can't believe that there's not a single mountain pass road for hundreds of miles around here! Damn Government!

Holy_Kaw 01-16-2005 06:38 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip

sarnali 01-16-2005 06:41 AM

I was up there for boiler school at Great Lakes NTC in Oct. Nov. and Dec. of '75, I remember it got pretty chilly. I also lived in Montreal for 5 years when I was a kid.

The Seattle -Tacoma area is like Florida compared to winter in the mid-west and north east, I don't blame you guys for parkin' it. The coldest I've ridden in is about 15 which was enough for me without electrics.

Our average winter is around 40 and drizzle, As long as you keep dry and run decent rain tires it's not that big a deal. This morning was 38 and drizzle so no problem. I put whats left of the rain covers over my gloves and they more or less worked.

In fact the biggest hazard now is that they sanded the ***** out of the roads last week so now the road spray leaves this gritty film on everything. Slippery to ride on, but an abrasive paste to grind your chain and sprockets.

I go through a lot of penetrating oil this time of year.

SuperBill 01-16-2005 12:40 PM

Re: Blue Nose
Only 35? We got injection temps into the 20's under the ice. You could hang meat in the main condenser bay!

And you're right about that Chicago cold. In February of '74 the Navy sent me from my home state of Florida to NTC Great Lakes. Ouch - Talk about your thermal shock! I've never been that cold before or since (a "since" that includes time under the ice, a winter in beautiful Monticello Minnesota, and the last 25 years in New England where I ride year 'round).

There's something about the winter wind coming off of Lake MichiganÂ…

By the way, there's never a good reason to feel sorry for the airdales.

Caravan 01-16-2005 12:57 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
Well, I used a Lip on a GS500F. It worked as advertised; making the bike comfortable to ride at "highway" speeds. I was concerned initially that the Dual LOc fasteners wouldn't hold at speed, but, they did. (Up to just over a ton, anyway.) In fact, they kept the Lip in place when I bounced the bike on its nose/windshield during an unscheduled "stunt".

As usual, YMMV.

sarnali 01-16-2005 02:18 PM

Re: Blue Nose
Usually if you get a carrier under the ice cap, low condenser temps. aren't your biggest problem, LOL

Pinkslip 01-16-2005 02:44 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I had a Zero Gravity screen on an '01 Gixxer 600-- Didn't think it was all that great. It was fairly thin and brittle looking/feeling. The bike came with it. It did look nice, though, with the Dark Smoke finish.

I like Puig screens. They are much thicker and durable than ZG's. Unless you're a racer concerned about saving every ounce of weight possible, I would think Puig screens are a better bet... Not that they feel heavy anyways.

There are a few different screen styles from them: Standard, Racing (Double Bubble style), and Touring (has a lip at the top of the taller screen).

They also come in Light and Dark smoke, Clear, and a variety of colors.

You can find these screens at your local Cycle Gear, if you have one in your area.

Happy Researching

GS1100GK 01-16-2005 06:07 PM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip

Cannot say much about the Lip or Zero Gravity. I got a ZZR1200 with the 3" taller Kawasaki optional shield that works good. Does Kawasaki make an optional screen for this bike? You may want to check them out too.

dylanmo 01-16-2005 07:01 PM

I should move to Seattle, these Pullman winters are rough

Guess I shouldn't biatch since I just spent six winters in St. Paul. Who wouldn't love it, winter is the best seven months of the year, yanno.

Thing is that the motorcyclists there are f'n hard core when it's anything like good outside. M-St.P. supposedly has the highest number of golf courses in the nation per capita. I think that's because when it's good enough out to ride, or golf, it's time to go big or not at all.

morriscm 01-17-2005 07:03 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
Minus 14 in Eau Claire, WI this morning (and no, I don't think I'll go for a ride today)

morriscm 01-17-2005 07:06 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
I've got the ZG screen on my ZRX too. Works great - but it's totally different from what they sell for sport bikes.

Buzz_Waloch 01-17-2005 07:28 AM

Re: Zero gravity vs. laminar lip
74 in San Diego. I'm taking the boy for a ride!

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