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Winger4Life 09-24-2003 03:29 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
Where have you seen this? Any objective comparison (non Bell or Escort sponsored) I have seen, the V1 detects the various radar bands well ahead of ANY other.



Perhaps the 99% is true of Laser Detection, but if you detect Laser, it is too late...

Winger4Life 09-24-2003 03:43 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
I ordered the mount from: http://www.radar-detectors.com/produ...es/default.asp



Beware the reviews on this site though...they claim Escort 8500 is the best and the cordless Escort is equally as good. Now, anyone who knows anything about cordless detectors will laugh at that. Plus, they conveniently have links to purchase those detectors from their site, whereas you can not buy a V1 from them. Who would buy an Escort if they gave the V1 the higher score it earns?



The mount comes with Velcro which you use to attach the V1. It mounts to either side of your handlebars.



I just got the mount a week ago, so I can not give you any meaningful usage information yet... The V1 has saved me at least six times in my car over the past two years, and I would expect equally good performance on the Wing.






Mistaandypants 09-24-2003 04:17 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
Check out http://www.radarbusters.com/. they rate and test all the detectors by an independant lab which is a far more scientific method than any I've seen mentioned here so far. A great site to learn what radar/laser detection technology actually works and what is hype.

James_Brown 09-24-2003 04:31 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
V1 does do much better in X band detection, but that is rarely used anymore anyways. For K & Ka the difference is slight and for POP, the V1 is actually slightly behind. I generally don't bother reading the laser tests, because as you said, laser detection is simply a 2 second warning that you've already been had. One site I have seen these sort of results on is speedzone.com (but there are others). The authors mostly consult with the manufacturers of radar guns, but yes, they have consulted with most major detector manufacturers at some point in the past, so feel free to have your conspiracy theories. The tests are conducted by genuine peace officers and the methodology is sound. The only possible glitch is that they do let the manufacturers supply the units. The manufacturers actually pay to have their detectors tested. I assume that Valentine as a company is smart enough to sniff out a loaded and/or biased test and would not participate, let alone pay to participate if there was an issue with bias or poor methodolgy. That fact and my own judgement of the methodolgy is enough to put my conspiracy paranoia to rest.



As for the advantages of knowing the direction of the radar signal and its implications related to multiple squad cars, I simply don't speed if my detector is showing two bars or more, even if I have just passed a squad car. While a V1 may allow me to confidently hit the accelerator sooner after encountering a speed trap, I will make the sacrifice and do without the extra 20 seconds of speeding.

sportbike_pilot 09-24-2003 04:47 AM

Radar detectors - No fun and not correct either!
 
Our normally lucid colleague is not correct on this one either. Speeding tickets in some jurisdictions are hugely expensive even for relatively minor infractions (perhaps it is different in Sarnali's corner of the world). You want to make sure, for instance, that you avoid the notorious speed traps near Franklin and Preston in SE Idaho where they have speed limits that change from 65 to 35 in the middle of nowhere (and the signs are hard to see).



I agree that keeping your zeal for busting a few speed gaskets under control on public roads is a good thing but there is nothing wrong with knowing what you are up against. And good luck talking your way our of a ticket on a sport bike in flashy leathers, gloves, boots and helmet with any member of the stick up the butt ISP because it ain't going to happen. Those boys are ticket writing machines with about as much unmanageable compassion as a bucket of rocks.



Unless you live in Montana (speed limits but generally low speeding fines) I think that radar detectors are a pretty good idea.



regards



sbp

nokneedragin 09-24-2003 05:07 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
Sorry, James, but not true.

I was the lucky recipiant of one of the first laser guided tickets my local city handed out. The officer even told me he had just been given the laser training and a new unit, and that the only thing about a bike that is on your side is that it takes a steadier hand to clock you (very freindly guy).

My understanding is that the beam scatters off of any surface no matter the color. Unless someone knows of a paint out there that resembles a black hole, and absorbs all incoming energy ;)

R1150GSugly 09-24-2003 08:01 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
I've been quite successful with the V1 and http://www.motorcycleradar.com/radar_screamer.htm for audio. These devices have more than paid for themselves. BTW I do Iron Butt type riding.

RedRocket800 09-24-2003 08:10 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
I recently installed a remote mounted Whistler DE3400 on my bike. It is radar, and laser.

Not too expensive about $ 180.

So far I haven't plugged it into some helmet speakers, but I need to. That, or add a screamer.

The remote mounting part is nice- It stays on the bike, and is relatively inconspicous, under my dark windsheild. The main body of the unit is buried inside the fairing.

This way I don't have to carry it around, or put it in a tankbag, or plug it in.


skylaneopo 09-24-2003 10:59 AM

Re: Radar detectors
 
A good site for tests is http://www.speedzones.com

A good site for motorcycle specific RD gadgets is http://www.motorcycleradar.com/



I vote for V1 but the Escort 8500 and the Bel 985 model are also good. I think Escort owns Bel or vice versa.




James_Brown 09-24-2003 02:50 PM

Re: Radar detectors
 
I was afraid that motorcycles weren't as "invisible" as I was told, however the statement that lasers will scatter off any surface is a gross overstatement. Cars with sloping front ends, dull fabric bras and flip-down headlights (think early 90s Firebird) and no front license plate are extremely hard to a get a reflected laser beam off of. Stealth technology is part high tech and part low tech and flat black paint is a low tech component of stealth technology.


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