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Old 03-04-2003, 09:22 AM   #21
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Default Re: Gun Laws in Australia are a success you morons...

We can have tanks?!!! Logical extension my arse. Perhaps now that you live in the US you might want to go online and read a little something called the US Constitution. You also might want to look up why home invasion robberies are much higher in Europe than here. You know, you're sitting at home minding your own business and a couple of thugs walk in your house and start carting out your stuff right in front of you. I agree let's not start a gun debate here. I'm done.



You think Euro's and Aussies might ride motorbikes more because their socialist governments have taxed gasoline into the unaffordable range and that the average income/standard of living is lower to the point that many can't really afford cars?



Why did you come here anyway? Seeking your fortune in the land of the free?
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Old 03-04-2003, 09:32 AM   #22
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Default Re: Try http://www.250ccbikes.com/

Most Americans wouldn't know much about the vast range of 250cc bikes available since only a few are sold here...no 250cc first year limit.



This site has a very good listing of most that are (or were) available... http://www.250ccbikes.com/
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Old 03-04-2003, 10:12 AM   #23
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My post was a joke of course, but I don't think the analogies are that extreme. In the US drivers/riders can be restricted by age, by training, by the time of day, by whether they are wearing a helmet, by the presence or absence or type of passengers, by vehicle class, and more.



The idea that displacement-tiered motorcycle licensing is somehow qualitatively different just doesn't fly.



This is not a question of pure individual liberty. Joe Novice with his chrome Kaiser helmet and polished literbike is a hazard to more than just himself. Take a look at the reported rise in pedestrian injuries since London started congestion charges and motivated drivers to become scooter and motorcycle pilots.



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Old 03-04-2003, 10:18 AM   #24
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Ad hominem attack = admission of indefensible position.



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Old 03-04-2003, 10:18 AM   #25
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Fangit, let suggest the use of common sense and discretion in place of all-encompassing laws and regulations imposed on everyone at once.



Buzglyd, I must say you're correct in your opinion of democrats. The prevailing theory over on the left side of things is that if you have a problem, forget using common sense and good judgement, and why even consider holding individuals accountable or responsible for their actions?



Just make a new law, regulation, or rule that tells everyone else exactly what they can and can't do, or better yet, just ban the whole durn thing.



I personally happen to enjoy having the freedom that I do in this country, and don't appreciate it when that freedom is systematically eroded by someone who thinks they have the right to tell me how to live my life.



Yes, we need enforcement, order and leaders, don't get me wrong, but don't tell me that it's acceptable for the government to come in and tell me what I can and can't buy, because some democrat thinks that since a few individuals did something stupid, everyone else should have their right to decide for themselves (on that particular subject) taken away.



All I'm saying is, when you try to make laws that prevent people from making their own decisions, for the purpose of preventing anything bad happening, you take away those peoples' rights. You take away that much of their freedom.



Some people are stupid, some people makes mistakes, and some people are just plain mean. But don't take away everyones freedom trying to make the world a risk-free place. It's not fair, and it's not smart.
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Old 03-04-2003, 10:21 AM   #26
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Damn skippy!.. good point!.. the super-moto thing is something I'm very sorely tempted to get into myself. As it is, I already have two 2-stroke street-bikes, and a 2-stroke dirt-bike... why not a 2-stroke dirt-to-street bike hybrid, if for no other reason than to throw off the curve, eh!



I'm thinking OLD-school dirt-bike too, like a '79 CR250 (Honda, or Husky too I 'spoze)... I always loved those lay-down shock MX-bikes. I know the old-school moto guys would have a heart-attack, but hey... it's not like they didn't make a bazillion of 'em, and surely one could be had cheap.



There's just something about the MX'ers of that era... when I think of an MX bike, that's what I picture (probably b/c I grew up then, but anyhoo).



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Old 03-04-2003, 10:25 AM   #27
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So what you're saying is that all Americans are just intrinsically stupid and irrational, incapable of making sensible decisions? That no one in this country has any form of common sense?



Of course you're not. But wouldn't democrats like us all to think so? Please give careful thought to what you're insinuating when you make sarcastic statements about ten-year-olds on gixxer 1000s' and the like.



Be reasonable and use common sense, even if you are just trying to make a point. Many times people will listen or regard your opinion with more respect if you make it valid.
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Old 03-04-2003, 10:34 AM   #28
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Ok, I admit to being a registered Democrat (albeit not particularly enamored of any of the current nationally known leaders) so maybe that explains things......but....



I am somewhat sympahetic to the graduated license concept -- if combined with improved training and tougher, more meaningful licensing standards -- for cars as well as bikes.



Having lived 5 years in Switzerland, I got really spoiled by the quality of drivers and riders one usually encounters. New riders and drivers have to go around with a big L (for learner) placket on the back of the vehicle, and are not allowed on the Autobahn. By the time they have their full license, they have proven their ability to control their vehicle in a wide variety of conditions, not just riding around some cones in a parking lot, or parallel parking the car.



Not yet ready to fully endorse that concept here, but I think it has its points.



Re guns -- don't have any stats, but I'd guess that home invasion is rare in Switzerland -- of course, nearly every home has a fully automatic rifle and many rounds of ammo, as virtually every adult male is in the army. Every weekend, I'd see a bunch of guys in burmuda shorts and flips, riding mopeds or bicycles with Uzis and M16s etc slung over their shoulders as they headed up to the shooting range. Pretty weird at first, but you get used to it.



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Old 03-04-2003, 10:37 AM   #29
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Don't bother me I'm shopping for a bazooka and a tank right now.
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Old 03-04-2003, 10:38 AM   #30
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Didn't you once say you were an 18 year old college student? If you are you've managed to avoid indoctrination at our fine universities. Bravo.
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