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starvingstudent 10-12-2001 07:05 AM

Just for the record...
I don't let BMW off much easier than HD. There is no way a 650 single should be $8000+. But at least its technological gadgetry (FI, catalytic converters, etc) makes it easier to justify than an air-cooled, pushrod, 2 valve/cylinder motorcycle costing $18,000.

longride 10-12-2001 08:08 AM

Re: Who buys it?
Yeah I know how you feel. I see all these Chicago Bears shirts and hats here and not one of em plays football or is a member of the Bears. What a sick world isn't it?

longride 10-12-2001 08:09 AM

Re: Just for the record...
Easier to justify for who?

superbikefan 10-12-2001 08:19 AM

Re: Who buys it?
OK, I get it...I guess your point is you can be a "fan" of anything and buy that company's (or team's) merchandise with it's name on it to demonstate that enthusiasm to the world.

I assume by your "what a sick world" comment you mean to put it in perspective- it really means nothing and is harmless in the grand scheme of things.

You are a wise and learned man, master longride- please enlighten us with more wisdom and lead us out of the darkness!

Spinetingler 10-12-2001 09:02 AM

Re: Just for the record...
I agree - for who? Even though BMW's are technologically sophisticated, does that mean every biker would want that?

There are down-sides to that stuff as well, like when a clock in the dashboard drains the battery over the winter. Or the valve adjustments you have to perform on the boxers (I think they are too often). I'll agree that if someone gave me a BMW, I'd ride it, hell, I may even buy one for commuting (they're great bikes). My point is that year in and year out (underpowered, overpriced, less sophisticated, poser) HD bikes keep on selling in record numbers. How can one explain that?

I'll explain it - the general mass of motorcyclists in America want a HD, no matter what the gearheads that post on this board think. Until those anti-Harley motorcyclists can come back with facts, such as HD is not selling as much as they're making, the general public perfer Jap/ other bikes to HD, no one wants to be associated with HD, etc., can't it just be accepted that HD is out-"doing" all other manufacturers no matter how impossible to believe this is happening because of pre-conceived notions that a less technologically should naturally sell worse than the most efficient bikes in the world???

Otherwise, all of the bantering back and forth whether HD should command the price they do is BS because they're doing it. Of course, the motorheads 'on high' on these posts believe they should not. However, the riders on the street are proving they should.

The facts stare all of us in the face daily; their product sells, their name recognition is terrific, and they're capitalizing on it. Welcome to America. Also, God bless America.

Go ride.

Spinetingler 10-12-2001 09:08 AM

Re: Be careful . .
Yes - just afriad to drag those t-shirts from the '60's out because, "You meet the nicest people on Hondas."


intruderman 10-12-2001 09:17 AM

Re: Harley-Davidson earnings still rising
I am actually very happy for Harley, but I'm totally mystified as to why anyone would want to shell out the bucks to own one. Yes, I've ridden them myself.

1) Would I buy one if I could get it at retail? Nope.

2) Would I buy one if I could get it at a $2,000 discount? Nope.

3) Would I trade my 1998 Intruder 1400 for a brand new Fatboy? Nope. (Actually, I would, but I would immediately sell it, and buy another Intruder).

LimeSqueezr 10-12-2001 09:49 AM

Re: Harley-Davidson earnings still rising
I don't think H-D sales will suffer much because of Sept. 11. Indeed, anything that's an all-American icon to the point that owning one is downright patriotic will probably see an *increase* in sales unless the economy gets much worse than just a run-of-the-mill recession.

Look for other products to try to capitalize on what H-D has been doing for years, but at least they can't be accused of exploiting tragedy. They've been marketing the same way since the days when you could carry a hunting rifle on a plane and they just asked you to make sure it's unloaded.

starvingstudent 10-12-2001 09:53 AM

"Easier to justify" defined
It's easier to justify because the techno gizmos BMW peppers their bikes with raise the price of manufacture. Whether or not you want or need them, ABS, FI, and catalytic converters are expensive. Doesn't mean I _want_ all that junk on a 650 single, but I wouldn't walk away from the purchase thinking that 50% of the MSRP is just for the name on the tank.

That said, HD has every right to charge whatever they want because this is America. And they're doing something (namely marketing) right, because their stock is through the roof. But it's America, so I have the right to say that their product is overpriced from purely an objective, not an emotive, standpoint. Ain't this country sweet?

LimeSqueezr 10-12-2001 09:56 AM

There's a reason for the way they're referred to...
The Motor Co. is the part of HDI that makes H-D branded motorcycles. Buell is a part of HDI but separate from the H-D Motor Co. thus it is accurate to say Buells are made by Harley-Davidson but they are not "Harleys." I agree it's confusing and kind of ambiguous when people just say "the Company" without saying whether they mean the corporate parent or the subsidiary, but it's nothing to get paranoid about.

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