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Old 07-19-2001, 10:18 AM   #81
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Default Re: Dyno Chart, V-Rod Style

Finally, a H-D with the muscle to match the image. If I had the $$, I'd order one today.
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:20 AM   #82
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I think their share is about the same as Honda, they beat them last year...
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:26 AM   #83
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Now you sir are a man of fine humour! Excellent rebuttal.
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:28 AM   #84
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Default Re: Out-Harleying Harley

Using ten dollar words for 50 cent thoughts is also "sophomoric." I call a lot of people "plastic" who actually have less pvc in them than a VTX, but I think you know what I mean.



Yes the VTX crowd enjoys the classic cruiser style with more throttle than the a BigTwin Harley for less money. So does the Sportster rider who spends a few faces hopping it up, not that it has anything much in common with a VTX. The V-rod is simply yet another alternative. If the closest thing anybody can come up with to compare it to is a VTX, then it's a pretty original one since the two are from the same planet IMO (note that is not meant literally either).
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:33 AM   #85
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Default Re: Dyno Chart, V-Rod Style

If they were going for the whole exclusive thing then yeah your right. If it's inexpensive and everyone is riding one then that does ruin the whole exclusive thing.



However, I think there are alot of people like me that are into sportbikes and would consider an HD if they actually made one that was competatively priced with your average Gixxer or CBR. Something that was pleasing to the eye. While this new powerplant isn't a powerhouse by any means it's at least up to speed as far as technology and still 100+ power in a sportbike package reeeeks of performance. I think they would bring in a whole slew of new customers. At least I can say I would consider them. Till then you will never see me in a Harley shop.
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:38 AM   #86
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Default Like I said,

You can't look at Harley's production bikes as evidence of their stupidity. They're only giving consumers what they apparently want. Of course, they probably couldn't give the consumer anything else, so if motorcycles that use technology perfected by John Deere in 1930 fall out of favor, they are in trouble. However, their non-existent success in racing IS evidence of their utter lack of engineering abililty.
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:40 AM   #87
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They will also quickly learn (or not) the finer points of trail braking...
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:46 AM   #88
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Default Comprehensive list of worthwhile American cars:

Corvette

Mustang Cobra

any Jeep product (except that godforsaken new Liberty)

Suburban or Excursion (probably Suburban cuz the Ford gets such crappy mileage)

Ford or Chevy 1-ton diesel truck

Any high-end ($35,000+) conversion van



All other American cars suck.
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:48 AM   #89
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I wont buy anything american anymore. Watching the full size truck crash tests where all the american trucks failed miserably and the Toyota Tundra came out pretty much unscathed locked me into this mindset. Then reading about how much time and money went into engineering parts that break on cue really made me sick. Quality is job one my @ss... Tom Vue was right, were all "Lazy American Workers" working for Money hungry Pigs... Hmm I sound a bit bitter, guess thats what happens when everywhere you turn someone is trying to screw you out of your cash. I think I need to go for a ride...
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Old 07-19-2001, 10:51 AM   #90
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Default In other words....

The VTX crowd likes more power, better quality, vastly superior engineering, and quite possibly nicer styling for far less money.



Not that a Harley is a bad choice. It's just a matter of opinion.
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