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Old 07-19-2001, 05:13 AM   #41
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Default Re: Dyno Chart, V-Rod Style

Want more power?



Add two more cylinders.



I don't think that if you buy a twin it will be for the power but rather the type of power and style.
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Old 07-19-2001, 05:32 AM   #42
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Default Re: Wasteful things ...

You Suck.
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Old 07-19-2001, 05:41 AM   #43
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Now all you have to do is rap in a sportbike package (not a Buell) with some decent looking fairings, bring the price down and damn I might find a Harley in my garage!
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Old 07-19-2001, 05:54 AM   #44
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I am always amazed how so many people get fooled by brand image and the associated marketing. Take off the identifying markings of HD, and Ducati, etc and the prices that demanded for those same bikes would fall significantly given a reasonable sized sales volume. People WANT to pay more to be associated with a PERCEIVED higher status. Why else for the obnoxious logos on everything we buy.



In addition, HD has finally stepped up to the plate and joined modern performance design/charecteristics. I also own a ZRX, but even with its very good dyno specs, its still essentially a 15 year old engine - but that's what helps make it RELIABLE. Perhaps, the new HD will also become reliable...I am still hoping that Buell will become a solid performer some day.



All in all, I don't believe in acting like dog, by sniffing at all the other dogs butts (bikes). The more bike manufacturers are competing, the better the bike and hopefully value, we consumers will receive. And maybe one day, us riders will grow up and quit caring about the image of the company's brand and only care if the bike we ride makes us happy.

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Old 07-19-2001, 05:59 AM   #45
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Better is relative. It won't matter if they build a bike that can blow the doors off John Force, if it does not read Harley-Davidson across the gas tank they will still maintain their measily market share.
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Old 07-19-2001, 06:02 AM   #46
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H-D is not marketing this bike to people who ride SV 650s and long for WRXs. Ducati is the same way with their 996. They are going after customers who have deposits on new M3s or have an E420 sport in the garage and for whom the price of the bike is not their number 1 concern. Personally I've never met a motorcycle I didn't like, but I've seen a lot I wouldn't buy. I have a deposit on one at list but probobly won't get it unless it blows me away in person.
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Old 07-19-2001, 06:27 AM   #47
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I'm old and can not remember things, but what is the sticker price of the v-rod??
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Old 07-19-2001, 06:31 AM   #48
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I thought HD was a t-shirt company that sold motorcycles as a sideline.
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Old 07-19-2001, 06:39 AM   #49
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I'm not positive, but isn't that 600 lb figure dry? add in fuel, oil, and antifreeze, and you'll be on the far side of 650lbs, no? So in reality, I doubt there will be a huge difference in performance for any of the power cruisers (V-rod, VTX, Road Star Warrior, and possibly the 750 Magna and Valk). As a class, they'll smoke the regular V-twin crowd, but you're still only talking low 12 second quarter mile times...and that is in a straight line, nevermind around corners.

I think giving this style of bike more horsepower will probably result in more accidents initially untill their riders learn the importance of "corner entry speed" a heretofore unnecessary concept for most...
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Old 07-19-2001, 06:56 AM   #50
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They owe that supply/demand superiority to a truly phenominal marketing program that coincided with the Reagan "Proud to Buy American" years. Lets face facts: People didn't buy HD 'cuz you got performance, or even a good deal; people bought HD because they felt like badasses, and in the days of power ties, junk bonds and disposable income a little individuality was a good thing.
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