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Old 02-01-2007, 08:42 AM   #51
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Don'tcha know it's a black/white world with easy answers?



Heck, this is the same guy who called the Democratic House of 1984 "conservatives."
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Old 02-01-2007, 08:43 AM   #52
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Managers typically don't own the company. They work for the company just like everyone else. They just fall into the exempt bracket of wage earners. When the ownership deems one group of workers be paid much more than another group, it is easy to see how one group would become dissatisfied. I have no idea how much the various wage earners at Harley make. I'd just like to see and I'd start with the CEO.



My perspective is that managers exist to assure that those who deliver goods and services to customers are equipped with the assets and incentives they need to do their jobs to the satisfaction of their customers. Management functions as organizational connective tissue that allows products to move through that company's value chain. In essence, management is a support function to those activities that directly impact a company's inbound logistics, manufacturing processes and outbound logistics. It really doesn't help a situation to view any group of workers as a detriment to the organization. Hence my earlier comment about them being able to adopt an "us" perspective. Given the history of labor in that area and the fact that a labor union is in place, I don't think that will prevail and that is a shame.

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Old 02-01-2007, 08:43 AM   #53
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My degree cost the same as his.



Now what were you saying? Oh, those genius CEO's out there must have super high IQ's to rise to the top like they did. I bet they're really good at making their companies super productive.



They're also really good at shaking hands and sucking ****.



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Old 02-01-2007, 08:44 AM   #54
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Just a small statement and I'll stop this thread:

Unions (when they were created originally) were there for the sole benefit of the "working man". That's understood. Now, Union Execs are paid unusually high salaries themselves- effectively looking as "greedy" as the Corperate Execs. We are a capitalist society- get use to it. At the same time, don't expect something for nothing. Our manufacturing society is evolving and salaries, benefits and perks must change with it. As lopsided as Corp Exec pay is, the fact is, that those men and women that make it to that level busted their a$$es to make it to that level. Wouldn't you want to be in that position? I do. I'm Not, however. But I aspire to be there one day. Does that make me the "evil rich" when I reach that level? I worked for it, you know.

Watching a company pay Execs obscene money should let us all know that within us is the ability to reach the level of the "evil rich" if we would only take the steps to better our selves.

So, quityerbytchin' about who makes what and how they make it. They did their job- even if the company's losing gobbs of money (Ford). If the CEO was smart enough to write his/her ticket and the Corperation aggreed to pay it then good for the Exec.
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Old 02-01-2007, 08:46 AM   #55
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So, what's the pay situation at Victory?
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Old 02-01-2007, 08:46 AM   #56
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Living about one mile from Home Depot HQ - and having dumped our Depot stock a couple of years ago - I was DELIGHTED to see Nardelli go. Interesting point about the rarefied talent it takes....WSJ pointed out, and correctly thinks I, that the talent pool of folks who come come in and take over Depot after the founders left was maybe 15 to 20 people.



It is called "supply and demand". Blaustein is probably worth every penny.
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Old 02-01-2007, 08:47 AM   #57
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Oh, you know they just rolled over for Regan. Demos LOVED him...
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Old 02-01-2007, 08:47 AM   #58
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That's why in Canada the drugs are way cheaper right?



Uh.. lobbyists have nothing to do with this stuff.. everything is on the up-and-up.



You know, those R&D costs of "big pharma" sure are high. Half of their operating costs are "R&D". Cough. Oh, and the other half is "Marketing".



May cause rectal bleeding. Beeeend over.
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Old 02-01-2007, 08:47 AM   #59
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Back in the 70's, the HD union workers were notorious for undermining quality in the product. Dealers had to practically rebuild the bikes during the AMF days. When I tore down my '77 FXS, welding rods were sticking out of joints, bolts were cross-threaded, etc. Regardless of what you think of HD in general, their quality today is superb. I think unions are good for America, without them there's no representation, we become slaves to the corporation...as I am today.
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Since it's a free market everything is transparent! The libertarian utopia that we live in!
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