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Old 04-09-2006, 06:04 PM   #61
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The US came tenth in the 2005 study, not sixth. Canada was fifth, at least from the link I have:



http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778562.html



The US is just one of 20 plus countries in the world that the UN ranks as great places to live, and it isn't even in the top five. My point is that the US is a great country - don't get me wrong, I like the place and visit it often - but it sure as heck isn't the only great country. Norway and Canada have topped the list for the last 14 years. Most of the top ten, in fact, are socialist economies doing things very differently from the US.



Money obviously isn't the sole answer or the US would top the list year after year because it has the highest GDP. Why does Norway have an almost unmeasureable illiteracy rate while the US hovers around 20%? Why do Swedes live a half decade longer and are considerably less overweight? Why do Canadians get rated as having a 'freer press' when they share a lot of the same TV shows, etc.? Why do Germans get 6 weeks of paid holidays when they start a job while US workers have to work decades to get the same benefit?



My question is this: instead of crowing about how great the US is ... why aren't you two asking questions like the one's I pose above? If I was in the richest country in the world and I saw a #10 ranking, I sure as heck would be asking why. People living in poorer countries are living similar or better lives on less money.



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Old 04-09-2006, 06:06 PM   #62
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and why 40% of your citizens go without the care in the first place.
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Old 04-09-2006, 06:17 PM   #63
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So what is it, Shizuki? Are we Canadians considerably poorer than you Yanks, as Bigdx has been hammering in the past half dozen posts are are we 'roughly equivalent' in standard of living as you say in this post?



The US represents 3% of the world's population and uses 40% of the world's oil. That is gluttony. Canada is following right along, part of why they dropped from 1st to 5th in four years and I'll thoroughly admit it. Do I like that we are emulating our southern neighbours instead of nations who are husbanding their resources better? Do I like that Finns get the same standard of living using half the resources? Of course not. Am I glad that we aren't as bad as the US is ... yep.



About half of my hops to this server happen in Canada, so if you can explain to me how you US citizens paid for network infrastructure here in Canada ... I'd love to know how.
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Old 04-09-2006, 06:38 PM   #64
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"If I was in the richest country in the world and I saw a #10 ranking, I sure as heck would be asking why."



Fact is you are not living in the richest country. So why ask the question on a motorcycle BB? It has f*ckall to do with you or and f*ckall to do motorcycles.
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Old 04-09-2006, 07:13 PM   #65
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"Funny that the cost of living index for Atlanta and Chicago is almost identical to the cost of living index of Vancouver and Toronto."



So ... an average city in the US is about as expensive to live in as the two most expensive cities in Canada? What about LA? NYC? Honolulu? A 30 second search found at least 20 cities over 50% higher on the index than even the most expensive Canadian city. I shudder to think of what the index says about places like The Hamptons.



"Oh yeah? And how much is that Einstein? No numbers have you, eh? eh?"



The New England Journal of Medicine has the per capita cost in the US at nearly three times that in Canada (1059 vs 307 in 1999) and recommended adopting a Canadian style system. If you want a good quote, note the overhead built into the system (3% in the Canadian vs. 17% for the US). That's some prime government 'inefficiency' for you, that is.



http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/349/8/768



"Who has power; the guy with the money or the guy that wants the money? I can buy anywhere I want, anytime I want, any amount I want."



You haven't read much on the depression, have you? Money is paper wealth and its value fluctuates with demand. It can become completely valueless if all confidence is lost in the currency, which has happened to the peso, for example, just in my lifetime.



Resources are hard wealth because they can actually be used instead of just sold. We can use the oil instead of selling it, use the lumber instead of selling it, etc. and with our population, we have enough for the next 20 generations of Canadians to live pretty comfortably or more. You talk as if the cross border trade was always there, but before NAFTA US-Canada trade was a shadow of what it is now. Canadian standard of living was still high back then and, in fact, the Loonie was higher than the US dollar at the time. Speculators tend to like when you have a small population sitting on a ton of reserves. Can the US say it has enough for the next 20 generations of Americans? Hardly. The US has lots of resources, which is part of why they are a superpower right now, but the demand for oil, as an example, outstripped the supply back in the mid 80's.



"Mmm, actually they have not changed production output in more than a decade"



Which is why people are starting to question their claims about their reserves. The US has been asking them to increase production for at least half of that period with no real response. Here is a link calling into question the Saudi claims for their reserves:



http://www.iags.org/n0331043.htm



and another link showing the proven reserves you mention of Canada's:



http://www.rense.com/general37/petrol.htm



and finally an industry commentary about the oil sands pegging the 'recoverable reserves' at over 300 bbl:



http://142.206.72.67/03/03b/03b_005c_e.htm



In 2003, Canada's reserves leaped from 5bbl to 180 bbl because a portion of the oil sands were considered economically viable where they previously were not. That oil was always there ... it didn't just appear. As consumption begins to outstrip demand on a world scale, it has become more and more economical to mine the sands. If the industry says over 300 bbl are feasible right now, then our 'proven reserves' meaning oil we know is in the ground have to be greater than Saudi's.



"Mmm, I guess you better give me head and swallow or learn to eat less. A lot less. You're an ignorant reprobate. Speaking out your ass as usual eh?"



And you make your points with such class and decorum.







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Old 04-09-2006, 07:16 PM   #66
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Hey, man ... you started it.



"Mmm, funny how canucks seem to want to tell their betters how to run a country ..."



Everything spawned from that point.
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Old 04-09-2006, 07:36 PM   #67
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That is a pretty high claim, considering pretty much all of science was invented from scratch in the Rennaissance, most of it in Britain, France and Italy. Take away telescopes and microscopes and virtually all the US genomic advances wouldn't have even happened, for example. Germany invented most of the military tech that the US has perfected (submarines, missles, jets) as another example.



Canada has invented nothing? What a laugher.



Henry Woodward invented the electric light bulb in 1874 and sold the patent to Thomas Edison, so there blows your argument about the rest of us having to write by candlelight without the US. Insulin is a Canadian invention, as is the telephone, basketball, the first television system, the first wireless radio, the gramaphone, the electron microscope, etc.



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Old 04-10-2006, 12:19 AM   #68
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Warren De la Rue actually invented the first light bulb a$$wipe.



Speaking out your ass as per normal.
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Old 04-10-2006, 12:43 AM   #69
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Default Depression? The USA is in a depression? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I'll check the news this morning ...
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Old 04-10-2006, 01:55 AM   #70
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Man, you are something else ... I never said the US was in a depression right at the moment, but if another one hits, all that money will be useless.
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