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Old 10-06-2005, 06:00 PM   #171
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Default Re: Do you hate HD?

1st - I'm not in to the whole Harley image, I just like the bikes. Only harley shirt I have was a present. And its not just HD I'm for, its American companies in general.



2nd - Should we look at how many workers Harley puts into it's store in Korea and other locations as part of this comparison?



3rd - Eyes open, I have my bias for my reasons. I know it's not a 'pure' brand, but pretty much nothing is. Factored in to my decison is support, price, engine, and brand, etc. When close, US companies win out.



From the sounds of it, you're the one blinded: "The evil, dinosaur motor company" and all.
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:06 PM   #172
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Default Re: Harley stock down over 6%

It was pretty cool. But I don't want anything with forward controls. The V-rod chassis seems to have been designed to have a low seat height, and long wheelbase, period.



Take the Street Rod, to me that just doesn't work. If you look at the Sportster, it can do both forward, and mid controls because the chassis size is good for both. I don't think Harley ever planned on using the V-rod chassis with anything other than forward controls.
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:21 PM   #173
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Hey Neal, sorry to say it but your info is so last century.

HD makes one thing, bikes. Therefore they should make the best because that is all they do. But they donÂ’t.

Want to know why the Japanese blown the bolts off of HD? They grew up and branched out into other things. They make cars, F1 race engines, robots, prime mover diesel engines, power equipment, outboard motors, personal watercraft, ATVs, dirt bikes, musical instruments, fleet vehicles, electronics, turbines and even an aircraft. All that experience crosses to one another and they can use the tech from the F1 motors on the passenger cars and the jet engine tech on the bikes. Have you any clue about the metallurgy required to design a turbofan jet engine? Its not just iron, there is some exotic materials used to create those engineering marvels.

After 100 years, HD still makes only bikes.

you wrote "Harley made a brave but POORLY MANAGED ATTEMPT to compete in road racing with the VR1000 before finally GIVING UP" You see, poorly managed and giving up are like saying, "We suck and we are not good enough to compete in the racing world that is dominated by the those horrible import bikes." Oh yeah, you said failed effort in there too.

The VROD, what a insane bike! So the bike that couldnÂ’t was used to design the VROD? ThatÂ’s encouraging! Japan has been making that bike since 1985, itÂ’s called the V Max. "V"ROD, whoÂ’s copying who?

Evolve, or die

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Old 10-06-2005, 06:54 PM   #174
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Like everyone I'm sad to see it happen but they have been sticking it to people for years and it finally caught them. Also like everyone I would love to have a Harley for a second bike. I'm looking at a cruiser to add to my stable but it's going to be a Victory..
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Old 10-06-2005, 07:08 PM   #175
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the Suzuki is allowed two extra cylinders. A little unfair...I'd say so.
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:02 PM   #176
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Default Time to wake up and smell the coffee GPTB

Excellent Post djamora. Great summary of the problem. Time to wake up and smell the coffee GPTB.
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:21 PM   #177
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Buz you know the rule "There is no replacement for displacement". Seems like the V-Rod is getting the big advantage here... Check out Pinks on SpeedTV.com. The V-Rod even got a head start and old Suzuki easily won...
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:24 PM   #178
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The all powerful American Thunder scared of two extra cylinders? ThatÂ’s heresy!
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:55 PM   #179
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Sam...sad thing is, the Suzuki dealer i use to work for in high school here is like you describe the HD dealer.



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Old 10-07-2005, 01:05 AM   #180
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