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BMW4VWW 06-04-2005 07:51 AM

Re: I am an artiste
"You use your tongue purdier than a twenty dollar *****"

That remark was crude, hurtful, uncalled for and totally misleading. My old lady says my tongue is worth at least twenty-five dollars. VWW

BMW4VWW 06-04-2005 07:58 AM

Re: I am an artiste
You're right about the universal description, but not about the degree of deciet.

BMW4VWW 06-04-2005 08:04 AM

Re: I am an artiste
You're right Nplateau. Libertarians are "self serving", but by choice. You see we don't expect anyone to pay for our needs by having the government point a gun at their head. VWW

BMW4VWW 06-04-2005 08:14 AM

Re: How about just a more perfect union?
Incredibly expensive for government? Where do you think the government gets it's money? It is interesting that you see state sponsored education as the panacea for our problems. State sponsored education was invented by the Prussians to better guide its citizenry, and to crank out better soldiers. Only a free enterprise system would create competition for the best teachers, as any state run system is tantamount to the typical Soviet five year plan. VWW

BMW4VWW 06-04-2005 08:18 AM

Re: They hate us for our freedom!
Here, hear! We must spread freedom to the oppressed penguins by overthrowing the iron fisted rule of the Leopard Seals!

Nplateau 06-04-2005 08:26 AM

Re: How about just a more perfect union?
Nope not a teacher. Thinking about getting the credentials though. Wouldn't mind being an English or History teacher. California's beauracracy is a killer though. I'll have to go back to school for a year or two to get my credentials.

You're right about the lawyers. As a law school dropout I know how you feel.

Nplateau 06-04-2005 08:45 AM

Re: How about just a more perfect union?
I'm not sure I agree with the free enterprise system, though I am sure you have valid points especially in terms of competition for the best teachers. Though a product of California's lowly public school system myself, I still believe in the promise and potential of public eductation. What worries me, about public schools as well as privatized education through a free enterprise system, is the move away from liberal education towards vocational education. Sure we all need skills to survive in the job market, but I would much rather not train our kids to simply be cogs in the system. I would much rather not see our education system be a training ground for corporate slaves. I would like to see the emphasis return to critical thinking and analysis. Education should not be about regurgitating information you are force-fed, rather it should be about challenging that veracity of that information. More time and effort should be spent on the epistemological side of the equation.

What a state run system, I believe, is meant to do is, is attempt to ensure a level academic standard. There are already tremendous discrepencies in the quality of education from rich county to poor county. Facilities, materials, budgets for honors and AP programs, etc., but I imagine the divide would only grow if education became a for profit institution. Vouchers? That's like trying to put a bandaid on a gaping wound. The average familiy's dollars are already stretched thin, I can only imagine the problems associated with having to pay $10,000 a semester to have just one of your kids go to a good "free enterprise" system school.

It is in the national interest that we should seek a better educational model. It's not just about ensuring our future generations are competetive in the job market, but that they are well-reasoned, critical-thinking, members of an informed and educated body-politic. It is for the good of our country and our government.

Too few vote, too few give a damn, too few can begin to understand the complexities of the world in which we live in. Too many swallow whole the propaganda of the the 30-second soundbyte. Education will help solve this problem.

Nplateau 06-04-2005 08:48 AM

Re: I am an artiste
I see your point, but all I'm trying to say is that it is in your interest to give a damn about the next person.

SeanAlexander 06-04-2005 08:49 AM

A Teacher?
Oh yeah, Bobby is just what we need teaching our children; an aspiring screenwriter, amateur horticulturist and teacher who dropped out of law school and wants free beer and "greens" for our children.

In all seriousness, Bobby is a good guy, but let's face it; if he can't even figure out that I'm not actually that "right-wing Libertarian wacko" that I teased him as, then I don't think I want him molding and assessing the academic potential of any offspring that might happen to spring from my ample loins.

Nplateau 06-04-2005 08:50 AM

Re: I once knew a (insert xenophobe here)
Oy vey! Gabe how do you deal with the meshugena?

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