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Old 07-28-2004, 09:22 AM   #71
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I don't think HD tricks anyone who doesn't want to be tricked. By that I mean, that the folks who buy Harleys may be buying them for lots of reasons, but not because they think they are superior in any kind of stopwatch/tapemeasure/scale way - with the possible exception of resale value - compared to the products of other manufacturers. At least I wouldn't think that their motivations would reside along objective lines. I could be wrong....



HD does a good job of making Harleys, just like my cat does a good job of being a cat, but he'd be a ***** poor dog (doesn't fetch worth a damn). The genius of HD management is in knowing what it means to be good at making Harley's, managing the business of doing it very well, and convincing a whole bunch of folks - beyond what I would call HD's core constituency - that owning a Harley is just the shot-in-the-arm that their life needs. That's where the marketing comes in. If you can do that branding with anything remotely approaching the genius HD has, you'd be flat stupid to abandon it. Making the Nova would have meant abondoning it, or at least compromising it, and spending good money to do so. Those HD folks are good at business, and they made a good choice.



In the meantime, Harley's core constituency, of which I presume you are one, have had the benefit of HD staying in business and making progressively better Harley's and minimizing the cost of ownership through high resale value. Sounds like a good deal to me.



I'm just not a Harley guy. Although I am tempted to acquire a Buell some time. I know, I know, but Buell's remind me of Ogri's Norvin, and everybody knows Ogri's cool
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:09 AM   #72
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I agree. I'd love to see it, or something like it, in a Buell. Yeah, yeah, I know Eric said something about preferring air-cooled motors, but the power would be nice.
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:19 AM   #73
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Actually, I'm not one of their core consituency- I've never owned one, although I've ridden them plenty ans can understand their appeal, which is completely different from sportbikes, but just as easy to enjoy.



Your grasp of Harley's wisdom and strategy goes far beyond that of many on this site. We'd do well to have more like you who can see past a spec sheet.
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:34 AM   #74
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...that it makes a V65 Sabre look pretty next to it. That's damn near impossible!
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:38 AM   #75
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Rob, have you been on vacation? I haven't seen you around here lately.
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:56 AM   #76
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Fook yeah! Thanks.
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Old 07-28-2004, 05:40 PM   #77
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Thanks for your kind words.
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Old 07-28-2004, 06:17 PM   #78
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Looks like we have another poor soul who is likely to be KPauled to death.
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Old 07-29-2004, 01:48 AM   #79
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Well.....? Any other deviations you two care to spew??? If so donÂ’t worry I will correct you again with the cold hard facts. The Yamaha's V-Max's 20 yr. popularity has been based on straight up performance, not some hey look at me I am riding the name brand popularity machine. Some of us got over having to wear Nike, Addidas, etc. when we were much younger and some. some of you guys would actually be scared to ride a non Harley machine. Now that is just sad! It's ok though Harley loves you very much, very much all the way to the bank.



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Old 07-29-2004, 03:56 AM   #80
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That's very interesting - in several ways. First, that Harley considered building a "performance" bike and second that they weren't (aren't?) a particularly good engineering company and were subcontracting to Porsche as early as 1979.



I think that a Buell with a real motor is a neat idea. Maybe they can dust off the Nova project now that they're basically bathing in cash and turn an interesting chassis into an interesting motorcycle - and one that would be fully competitive without a 2x + displacement advantage.



A semi-exotic American sportbike would probably be pretty profitable to develop.



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