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Buzglyd · 07-15-2004, 03:26 AM

You Harley shill!

How much butt does one have to kiss to get some VFR sales figures posted?

nweaver · 07-15-2004, 04:16 AM

Probably because there was, yet again, no growth for Buell. If there was growth, the PR Machine would have included it in the hype.

Buzglyd · 07-15-2004, 04:22 AM

Isn't that because technically Buell is a different company/division?

triumph900 · 07-15-2004, 04:24 AM

These shills are very shrill. They sould take a chill pill, which of course, would fit the bill and would give me a thrill.

How does Harley do it, with that antiquated mill?

Everyone knows it's old, but yet they buy them still.

And when you go to buy them, oy, you should see the bill!

We've seen it all before, you all know the drill.

The damn things are so wheezie, they can't make it up the hill.

I think I've had enough of them, I guess I've had my fill!

By now I've used it all, my last remaining goodwill.

So I guess I''ll have a pickle, probably a dill.

Guess I need to get out more....

longride · 07-15-2004, 04:31 AM

BUELL UNITS

Motorcycle shipments:

Three Months Ended Six Months Ended

2004 2003 2004 2003

2,718 1,942 5,321 4,883

Net Revenue:

Three Months Ended Six Months Ended

2004 2003 2004 2003

23,109 15,016 45,192 35,514

Looks like Buell gained in all areas in the 3 month and 6 month time frames. Not sure what is "hype" when you have 19 years of record profits and are shipping 314,000 motorcycles. I think I'd call that "success", but I guess if their company name doesn't end with a vowel, it don't count, eh?

Buzglyd · 07-15-2004, 04:35 AM

Try getting sales/profit numbers out of any Japanese company.

It was interesting in an interview with a Ducati official discussing Ducati's profits he said, "no one knows if the Japanese companies are making money or not."

jdsmith · 07-15-2004, 04:45 AM

I've never owned a H-D and likely never will because I like a sportier ride, but you can't argue with this company's success. There is no reason for H-D to invest millions in developing a groundbreaking powerplant--its customer base doesn't want, or care about, such things. The bikes aren't as "bullet proof" as Honda's, but they're much better than they used to be. And they epitomize the American motorcycle mystique for many folks here and abroad. Now, if I could just get one of those guys in arm chaps to wave back at me on the road . . . .

Buzglyd · 07-15-2004, 04:52 AM

They're not being unfriendly. Arm chaps have a design flaw that creates lift at high wave angles.

Imagine the carnage caused by a wildly flinging arm chap destroying everything in its path not to mention the tears shed by its owner over losing such a valuable piece of equipment.

Rest assured, the arm chap-wearing rider is most likely winking at you as you go by.

longride · 07-15-2004, 04:56 AM

Lets put it this way. Buell is on track to ship 12,000 motorcycles this year. The fantastic, great, perfect VFR only sold 2,000 last year. People consider Buell a failure, and they consider Honda VFR a raving success. Now tell me who is bullshytting who? Who has "hype" and hwo has "facts"? Lots of people ***** that I don't post Japanese profits and sales. Know why? There aren't any. Period. Impossible to find a Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, or Suzuki balance sheet for their motorcycle operations. It's all smoke and mirrors. Somebody over there in Japan has to have one don't they? All they ever post is " We sold more bikes than last year". They have no breakdowns as to the American market. Why? Because I have said all along that they make no money here. If they did they would brag about it. Since there is nothing to brag about, they just keep quiet. If anyone reads this and disagrees, find and post a balance sheet from a Japanese company that specifies their motorcycle market. I've looked for many hours and never found one. If you find one, I'd love to see it and will post it 10 times just in case you miss the first nine.

electraglider_1997 · 07-15-2004, 05:16 AM

I've owned 5 Honda's and I'll take my Harley any day of the week. Honda's are good bikes but I did plenty of fixing them for one thing or another during ownership and none of them lasted over 33,000 miles without becoming oil burners. My Harley has almost 37,000 of my miles on it and it starts and runs like new. Only tires and routine maintenance and all done by me.

07-15-2004, 03:26 AM	#1
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: They did it again? You Harley shill! How much butt does one have to kiss to get some VFR sales figures posted? __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

07-15-2004, 04:16 AM	#2
nweaver Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 458	Notice Buell is NOT listed... Probably because there was, yet again, no growth for Buell. If there was growth, the PR Machine would have included it in the hype.

07-15-2004, 04:22 AM	#3
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: Notice Buell is NOT listed... Isn't that because technically Buell is a different company/division? __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

07-15-2004, 04:24 AM	#4
triumph900 Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 183	Re: They did it again? These shills are very shrill. They sould take a chill pill, which of course, would fit the bill and would give me a thrill. How does Harley do it, with that antiquated mill? Everyone knows it's old, but yet they buy them still. And when you go to buy them, oy, you should see the bill! We've seen it all before, you all know the drill. The damn things are so wheezie, they can't make it up the hill. I think I've had enough of them, I guess I've had my fill! By now I've used it all, my last remaining goodwill. So I guess I''ll have a pickle, probably a dill. Guess I need to get out more....

07-15-2004, 04:31 AM	#5
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	Looks like your wrong. BUELL UNITS Motorcycle shipments: Three Months Ended Six Months Ended 2004 2003 2004 2003 2,718 1,942 5,321 4,883 Net Revenue: Three Months Ended Six Months Ended 2004 2003 2004 2003 23,109 15,016 45,192 35,514 Looks like Buell gained in all areas in the 3 month and 6 month time frames. Not sure what is "hype" when you have 19 years of record profits and are shipping 314,000 motorcycles. I think I'd call that "success", but I guess if their company name doesn't end with a vowel, it don't count, eh? __________________ I'm a knucklehead

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07-15-2004, 04:35 AM	#6
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: Looks like your wrong. Try getting sales/profit numbers out of any Japanese company. It was interesting in an interview with a Ducati official discussing Ducati's profits he said, "no one knows if the Japanese companies are making money or not." __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

07-15-2004, 04:45 AM	#7
jdsmith Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 15	Don't fix what isn't broken. I've never owned a H-D and likely never will because I like a sportier ride, but you can't argue with this company's success. There is no reason for H-D to invest millions in developing a groundbreaking powerplant--its customer base doesn't want, or care about, such things. The bikes aren't as "bullet proof" as Honda's, but they're much better than they used to be. And they epitomize the American motorcycle mystique for many folks here and abroad. Now, if I could just get one of those guys in arm chaps to wave back at me on the road . . . .

07-15-2004, 04:52 AM	#8
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: Don't fix what isn't broken. They're not being unfriendly. Arm chaps have a design flaw that creates lift at high wave angles. Imagine the carnage caused by a wildly flinging arm chap destroying everything in its path not to mention the tears shed by its owner over losing such a valuable piece of equipment. Rest assured, the arm chap-wearing rider is most likely winking at you as you go by. __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

07-15-2004, 04:56 AM	#9
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	Facts vs. Hype Lets put it this way. Buell is on track to ship 12,000 motorcycles this year. The fantastic, great, perfect VFR only sold 2,000 last year. People consider Buell a failure, and they consider Honda VFR a raving success. Now tell me who is bullshytting who? Who has "hype" and hwo has "facts"? Lots of people ***** that I don't post Japanese profits and sales. Know why? There aren't any. Period. Impossible to find a Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, or Suzuki balance sheet for their motorcycle operations. It's all smoke and mirrors. Somebody over there in Japan has to have one don't they? All they ever post is " We sold more bikes than last year". They have no breakdowns as to the American market. Why? Because I have said all along that they make no money here. If they did they would brag about it. Since there is nothing to brag about, they just keep quiet. If anyone reads this and disagrees, find and post a balance sheet from a Japanese company that specifies their motorcycle market. I've looked for many hours and never found one. If you find one, I'd love to see it and will post it 10 times just in case you miss the first nine. __________________ I'm a knucklehead

07-15-2004, 05:16 AM	#10
electraglider_1997 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 640	Honda bulletproof? I've owned 5 Honda's and I'll take my Harley any day of the week. Honda's are good bikes but I did plenty of fixing them for one thing or another during ownership and none of them lasted over 33,000 miles without becoming oil burners. My Harley has almost 37,000 of my miles on it and it starts and runs like new. Only tires and routine maintenance and all done by me.