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Old 01-11-2001, 01:09 AM   #51
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Default Re: Correction - the V-45/65 motor....

Hmmm...if I remember correctly, the Honda V-Fours had a reputation for breaking down quite often when they first came out. the second-generation VFR750 and the current Interceptor have a quite good rep for reliability although Honda V-4s have always been a pain in the ass to repair or maintain due to engine complexity...



Nah, engine complexity and H-D don't sound right, although the frequent breakdowns sound very AMF... Then again, if the Nova project has been on & off since the start... maybe a Porsche engineer defected to Honda & took some plans with him?
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Old 01-11-2001, 01:10 AM   #52
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Default Re: Water-Cooled Harley Discussion

It's about damn time Harley decided to come into this millenium. But hey, if there are enought morons out there to keep buying Harleys because of the 'style' and noise, so be it. I guess they've made up in marketing and tradition what they've missed in technology. They're still the #1 motorcycle in this country. (United States)

I'm just letting it be known that it's not because they're the best, it's because there are a lot of stupid people out there who are more concerned with their image than riding a good bike.

It will be a cold day in hell when Harley will give any rice-burner a run for their money. Why do you think they're enlising Porsche's help? It's because they haven't even considered technology in years.

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Old 01-11-2001, 01:23 AM   #53
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Default Re: Inexperience

Well, if H-D wants to make a big splash in the V-twin sportbike market, then what they have to do is build a sportbike and WIN! Or at least make a credible showing.



Who here had ever heard of Aprilia before Max Biaggi won the 250 GP championship on their bike in the mid '90s? I am certain that H-D would have access to more money than today's equivalent of what Aprilia had then. As for enthusiasm, I don't think there's any lack of that. Engineering ability? Team ability? Talent? These may be problems, especially after the VR1000 debacle. But these can be found.



H-D can build a winning Superbike, especially if it has a competetive liquid cooled engine. All it needs is commitment to the task, which it won't have unless it believes there will be either a short-term profit or a long-term benefit for the company.
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Old 01-11-2001, 02:14 AM   #54
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Default Re: Soon to be followed by... Electric HD!

I think mattel already makes an electric harley All the little kids have them
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Old 01-11-2001, 02:35 AM   #55
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Default Re: THIS IS THE CAUSE FOR THE FLAMING POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would that be ANOTHER case of where they couldn't get it right, even if they had the help of on of the best engine builders (Roush) in the world?



Yeah, we all know Russel couldn't win any of those races cuz he's over the hill and somebody sucker punched him. Oh well, time will tell. HD's got plenty of that!



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Old 01-11-2001, 03:39 AM   #56
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Default Looks Awful Familiar

Seems like this design lends credence to the concept that the Germans are still a little sore for spoiling their fun back in the 40's. I thought the bike looked familiar in the first few shots but the last one, a full side view where it is obvious the rider is looking for some major muscle to hold the beast up, confirms my suspicion. I have seen this bike before, and here it is. http://www.roadog.com/ Go Harley!
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Old 01-11-2001, 03:44 AM   #57
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Default Re: Japs - If You Can

Actually, I believe the Nova engine was a V4.
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Old 01-11-2001, 04:16 AM   #58
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Default Re: Water-Cooled Harley Discussion

Then the Harley faithful would feel right at home shifting it! The Harleys I've ridden had lousy shifting. I mentioned BMY mostly because of the VEHICLE dynamics. Suspension, cg, etc. It'll be interesting whatever the case. Actually, Aprillia might have a better choice. Large-displacement V-twin, great chassis.
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Old 01-11-2001, 04:40 AM   #59
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I think the bike is exceedingly odd-looking. It looks like it has very little suspension travel, especially up front. It also looks like it has too much rake. If the prototype is anything like the final production bike, it will hate corners and bumps.
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Old 01-11-2001, 06:20 AM   #60
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Default Re: So we have a sociology major here...

"We do it because we simply enjoy the beauty and relaxation of the open road rather than for any reasons of self-image or social status. There's always golf for that "



So why do so many cruiser riders find it necessary to dress in nearly identical fashion, ie the black leather "bad-a$$ biker dude" look? I stopped dressing up to look like something I'm not when I stopped playing coyboys and indians. I'd only dress up like a Hell's Angel if I was going to a custume party, which is where a lot of cruiser riders look like they're heading. I ride with a diverse group on a variety of different bikes, and their riding gear is biased towards functional, not fashionable. Textile jackets and pants, assorted leathers, boots and gloves of all varieties. The look just isn't all that important. We ride to ride, not to be seen (mostly, everyone likes showing off occasionally).



I'm not just picking on cruiser riders, though. All the race-replica guys wearing one-piece racing suits also look goofy to me. Especially in white - those really look like fairy suits. Sure, they may be functional, but only if you don't plan to get off your bike and do anything else. Knee sliders for street riding? If you go around dragging your knee on the street, you're heading for a fall and a world of hurt, eventually.
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