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Old 08-13-2003, 06:43 AM   #31
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Default Re: This should be worth a good flame fest.

Nuh-uh! They're both built in England. And John Bloor bought the rights to the name. And they both have/had a model called the Bonneville. And, uh.... wait.... there's got to be more...
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Old 08-13-2003, 06:55 AM   #32
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The new Bonnies look the same as the old ones, only modernized.

The rest of the line-up looks differant because they're keeping up with modern design's and technology instead of improving on older technology.

I understand your point about having nothing in common with "old" Triumph but every company has to modernize it's design or they wind up like Indian, building sprung axel flatheads while everyone else goes to OHV,s and swingarms.
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Old 08-13-2003, 07:09 AM   #33
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1999 Sportster 1200 Sport: 501 lbs, 57 hp (on MO dyno) =



.114 hp per pound.





2004 Sportster 1200 Roadster: 550 lbs, 60 hp (70 hp claimed, minus standard 15% brochure-to-dyno loss) =



.109 hp per pound.





Performance progress, H-D style.











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Old 08-13-2003, 07:27 AM   #34
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Default Re: This should be worth a good flame fest.

but I kind of have a bit of a personal bias against a Harley with the word "sport" in the name. That's not what the bikes are supposed to be about. They're supposed to be about cruising around and stuff, not carving the canyons like the psycho sportbikes.



Back when they named them sporsters they were among the sportiest things around.
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Old 08-13-2003, 07:42 AM   #35
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Oh my God, the "Astro Glide" comment was too much. Luckily I wasnt drinking anything at the time... I'm still laughing.
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Old 08-13-2003, 07:51 AM   #36
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After reading all the sporty bashing, I'm wondering how many of you mo-squids have actually ridden the bike and how many are just shooting off their mouths(keyboards?) going solely by paper stats and what you may have heard 3rd hand or read in a crotch rocket only forum like this one is becoming..



A Sportster, especially the 1200, is a really fun bike to ride. And while the 1/4 mile times arent good, 0-60 they'll jerk a knot in your butt. They handle decently and look and sound cool as hell. Their big shortcoming for me has always been the 60+mph vibes. With that solved this should be a sweet bike. I am sorry to hear about the added heft though. Still mostly good news, and I still want one.
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Old 08-13-2003, 08:02 AM   #37
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Triumph has been in buisness the whole time



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Old 08-13-2003, 08:23 AM   #38
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You, my friend, hit the nail squarely on the head. Most of the Harley-bashers on this site are, in fact, squids who just repeat what their friends/magazines/dads tell them about Harleys.
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Old 08-13-2003, 08:28 AM   #39
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When the final version of NVT went tits-up, John Bloor bought the name and incorporated it.

Triumph was still listed as a corporate entity, so from a legal standpoint they've been in buisness the whole time

They just didn't actually build any bikes,

kinda like a long weekend only longer.
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Old 08-13-2003, 08:31 AM   #40
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Let's see, they've been in business the whole time, they just didn't produce any bikes for ten years while they went through a bankruptcy, changed owners, changed locations, tore down the old factory and built a new one. Yep, that sounds like the same company to me.
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