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obandoj · 02-13-2003, 03:39 AM

Corporate sincerity? What happened to those people with cam bearings that are knocking , who bring their bikes to a dealer only to be told that Harley Davidson will not do anything untill they fail completely?

I call that corporate arrogance.

Corporate sincerity and ethics, what a joke!

Captain_1 · 02-13-2003, 04:07 AM

No surprise here. Public perception is not often rooted in reality. This is why advertising and PR firms exist. In marketing, politics, etc.... IMAGE is more powerful than substance.

seruzawa · 02-13-2003, 04:25 AM

".....and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth. And the atrociteurs put on sackcloth and ashes and were not comforted."

"And the Lord said, 'Bringeth out mine Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch that I may blow my atrociteur competition to bits, in my mercy.' "

Where is our favorite cookiecutteur these days? It's too early to be trailering to Jacksonville.

intruderman · 02-13-2003, 04:34 AM

Another way of looking at second place is to call it "first loser". I think that's appropriate in Harley's case.

longride · 02-13-2003, 04:50 AM

A wise man once said "Perception IS reality". Negative and positive stereotypes rule most lives.

seruzawa · 02-13-2003, 04:59 AM

What happened to all those people with those Honda VF700s who went into their dealers with blown transmissions only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"?

What happened to all those people with those Suzuki GS1000s who went into their dealers with burned stators only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"?

What happened to all those people with those Suzuki TL1000s who went into their dealers with broken frames only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"?

What happened to all those people with those Honda Goldwings who went into their dealers with burned alternatrs only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"?

What happened to all those people with those Yamaha RD350s who went into their dealers with blown transmissions only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"?

What happened to all those people with those Kawasaki W2SSes who went into their dealers with fried electrics only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"?

And on and on and on and on.................

All manufacturers have engaged in such practices. Dozens and dozens of models have been sold by all manufacturers with serious problems that are never ever recalled. No one has a corner on corporate indifference.

Buzglyd · 02-13-2003, 05:02 AM

Haven't you been told you're not allowed to find fault with Japanese manufacturers?

You sound like you speak from personal experience here. Let me know what bike you're planning to buy next and I'll be sure to stay away from that one! lol

Buzglyd · 02-13-2003, 05:03 AM

It looks like Harley has been fooling us for 100 years now.

longride · 02-13-2003, 05:04 AM

It's never too early to trailer.

navion_pa1 · 02-13-2003, 05:20 AM

I think should start using the DOT site to

report bad problems. If the TL1000s owner's

had filed reports with DOT, when the number

hits about 1% or 2% of the number of bikes sold, DOT looks into it and may issues a recall.

MCN, has been pushing this point for a few years now, if all the HD people with bad cam bearing had submitted a report, HD would be

force into a recall to correct the problem. Since it could argured that a engine locking up is an unsafe condition.

02-13-2003, 03:39 AM	#1
obandoj Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 912	Re: Harley Gets Second Place Corporate sincerity? What happened to those people with cam bearings that are knocking , who bring their bikes to a dealer only to be told that Harley Davidson will not do anything untill they fail completely? I call that corporate arrogance. Corporate sincerity and ethics, what a joke!

02-13-2003, 04:07 AM	#2
Captain_1 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 157	Re: Harley Gets Second Place No surprise here. Public perception is not often rooted in reality. This is why advertising and PR firms exist. In marketing, politics, etc.... IMAGE is more powerful than substance.

02-13-2003, 04:25 AM	#3
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	Re: Harley Gets Second Place ".....and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth. And the atrociteurs put on sackcloth and ashes and were not comforted." "And the Lord said, 'Bringeth out mine Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch that I may blow my atrociteur competition to bits, in my mercy.' " Where is our favorite cookiecutteur these days? It's too early to be trailering to Jacksonville. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

02-13-2003, 04:34 AM	#4
intruderman Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 242	Re: Harley Gets Second Place Another way of looking at second place is to call it "first loser". I think that's appropriate in Harley's case.

02-13-2003, 04:50 AM	#5
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	Re: Harley Gets Second Place A wise man once said "Perception IS reality". Negative and positive stereotypes rule most lives. __________________ I'm a knucklehead

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02-13-2003, 04:59 AM	#6
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	Re: Harley Gets Second Place What happened to all those people with those Honda VF700s who went into their dealers with blown transmissions only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"? What happened to all those people with those Suzuki GS1000s who went into their dealers with burned stators only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"? What happened to all those people with those Suzuki TL1000s who went into their dealers with broken frames only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"? What happened to all those people with those Honda Goldwings who went into their dealers with burned alternatrs only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"? What happened to all those people with those Yamaha RD350s who went into their dealers with blown transmissions only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"? What happened to all those people with those Kawasaki W2SSes who went into their dealers with fried electrics only to be told, "Too bad, you're warranty period is up"? And on and on and on and on................. All manufacturers have engaged in such practices. Dozens and dozens of models have been sold by all manufacturers with serious problems that are never ever recalled. No one has a corner on corporate indifference. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

02-13-2003, 05:02 AM	#7
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: Harley Gets Second Place Haven't you been told you're not allowed to find fault with Japanese manufacturers? You sound like you speak from personal experience here. Let me know what bike you're planning to buy next and I'll be sure to stay away from that one! lol __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

02-13-2003, 05:03 AM	#8
Buzglyd Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,137	Re: Harley Gets Second Place It looks like Harley has been fooling us for 100 years now. __________________ Jay Leno: "President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 than he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama."

02-13-2003, 05:04 AM	#9
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	Re: Harley Gets Second Place It's never too early to trailer. __________________ I'm a knucklehead

02-13-2003, 05:20 AM	#10
navion_pa1 Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 40	Re: Harley Gets Second Place I think should start using the DOT site to report bad problems. If the TL1000s owner's had filed reports with DOT, when the number hits about 1% or 2% of the number of bikes sold, DOT looks into it and may issues a recall. MCN, has been pushing this point for a few years now, if all the HD people with bad cam bearing had submitted a report, HD would be force into a recall to correct the problem. Since it could argured that a engine locking up is an unsafe condition.