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Old 01-21-2003, 10:10 AM   #11
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Default Re: 17 Years and Counting for H-D

I guess the question I would have is "What is more important, profit or market share?" If it is market share, then they might build other products like dirt bikes and sportbikes. If it is profit, I imagine they would stick to cruisers.
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Old 01-21-2003, 10:11 AM   #12
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Old 01-21-2003, 10:12 AM   #13
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Triumph makes sport bikes and nobody buys them. If Harley made a motorcycle that was in the same price range and performance as the Triumph, then people would buy it? Not a chance. All you have to do is look at the new 2000-2002 Kaw ZX12's that are sitting in the showrooms that were a bit slower than expected and priced a bit high. Plus with sportbikes you get the added albatross of having to redesign it every 2 years. It's a loser all the way around for Harley to even try. There is no possible way to compete with the Japanese, unless you are willing to lose money on every sport bike you make like they do.
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Old 01-21-2003, 10:25 AM   #14
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Default They already have both.

H-D alredy has both profit, as related in the above article, and market share. According to numbers from BMWNA, about 2% of the American populous (248M) rides. Of that market, BMW Motorad holds about 2% (~113,000) and H-D holds 38%! These numbers include all the major catagories except four-wheelers of any kind. So saith the BMWNA marketing paper for the '03 model year, which suposedly quotes industry numbrs. The dealer showed it to me.



I wonder if the Big Four Jap makers are hurting? Harley's share by itself is 38% of the entire market, and growing. The Italian bikes are desirable, and picking up share, it seems.

I'd really like to see market share numbers and trends for all the makers, to see what just how the pie is sliced.
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Old 01-21-2003, 10:33 AM   #15
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Neither does BMW. But no one criticzes them for it.
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Old 01-21-2003, 11:07 AM   #17
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Harley's tried both, dirt and sportbikes, maybe before your time. The bikes weren't too successful then (the XLCR was beautiful) but it wasn't a bad idea. I believe the reason was they didn't represent a good value. Market share and profitibility are not mutually exclusive, just ask Harley.
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Old 01-21-2003, 01:42 PM   #19
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I for one am happy to see an American company do well. I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with all that H-D has to offer or how they handle matters, but I do support their continued success. I'm always a bit surprised how American's beat-up on their own success, such as H-D doing well. Cheers to H-D!
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Old 01-21-2003, 03:53 PM   #20
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I thought we dezided der would be no critizizm!
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