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longride 01-16-2003 07:35 AM

Re: Harley Class Action Suit
Hey Sarnali, please refrain from posting experience or knowledge on this thread. You're really wreckin' the mood here. :(

sarnali 01-16-2003 07:40 AM

Re: Harley Class Action Suit
We pulled some feed pump bearings last week that had cooked, about the only thing left was the inner and outer cages, 7 out of 10 ball bearings and a bunch of gritty grease LOL, these run at a constant 3450 rpm and 220 degrees, when they go you hear them start to grind, if you take them out right then they don't look any different, but leave 'em in an hour or two and they're greasy powder. Maybe with a bike engine that stops and starts you could see deformaties or magna-flux them or something, if you caught them at the right time.

Huss 01-16-2003 07:40 AM

Re: I can almost hear the giggles from here!
Well, there you go then. But as mentioned, it happens to all manufacturers, my Tl's frame snapped while riding it, and no, I didn't land any jumps. This was amongst other countless problems. After a little research was done, it was apparent I was not alone even though I was of course given the "never heard of it"line from Suzuki. But I didn't sue, I instead went to the NHTSA thinking that this was a serious safety concern. I even supplied them articles from foreign magazines mentioning this, lists of others dealers dealing with snapped frames etc etc but they showed no interest. When this happens, it is not surprising that lawyers are then involved. It seems that while auto manufacturers are concerned with recalls, bike manufacturers live in denial . Your bike doesn't work? No big deal, most of you are going to take the truck in to work anyway.

Anton_1 01-16-2003 07:58 AM

Re: Harley Class Action Suit
A good quality ball or roller bearing should be hard enough, and therefore brittle enough, that once an imperfection occurs it self destructs in a short period of time. I have seen cheaper ball bearings where the balls deform and the bearing still operates dispite the play between the inner and outer races. Also some bearings are chrome plated and the plating can chip off.

F451 01-16-2003 07:59 AM

Re: Harley Class Action Suit
Overpriced and it can kill you there's a winning combination. Lets' face it, with the exception of the V-Rod, Harley's lineup is tired and sagging.

sarnali 01-16-2003 08:01 AM

Re: Harley Class Action Suit

longride 01-16-2003 08:01 AM

Re: Harley Class Action Suit
I'm not sure how you could eyeball a roller bearing that is "failing" and not "failed". The only way is if the rollers had flat spots from skidding, or the cages are deforming, but everything is still intact. All I have ever seen is roller bearing good, roller bearing "go boom". He was stating that the mechanic said his bearings were "failing". Something that has 7 of 10 rollers left is "failed". I was just asking if he had an idea of how the mechanic determined they were failing by eyeballing them.

Eric 01-16-2003 08:07 AM

Re: Defending Corvettes
What! A two valve push-rod design is world class? Am I hearing KPaul right? Isn't this ancient technology? Next thing you know he will appreciate '90s vintage air cooled Porsches. (For the sarcasm impaired -- I like both 'vettes and Porsches).

One thing no one has mentioned about the bearing problem with the TC88 was that it was acknowledged and redesigned. Harley did replace any bearings that failed, but stopped short of agreeing to repair all bearings in every engine, which may have been a better approach. At least they did not blame the owners as other brands have done.

Again, every brand has issues. If I were to go by reliability on bikes I have owned, Honda would be at the bottom of the list. However, I realize that most hondas are far more reliable than the one particular bike that I owned.

seruzawa 01-16-2003 08:12 AM

Re: Harley Class Action Suit
Naked streetbikes. You missed the naked streetbikes.

longride 01-16-2003 08:18 AM

Re: I can almost hear the giggles from here!
Let's put it this way, our "playthings" would cost lots more money if we get the lawyers involved. All the "it could kill me" stuff is usually waaaaaay overblown. It's all lawyerspeak for "I need mo' money". I saw a 10 million judgement against Yamaha for a guy who got killed when his throttle "locked up". Probably the only thing that "locked up" was his brain. Even if it did lock up, did he ever hear of pull in the clutch? Motorcycles almost got mandatory leg guards in the 80's when a lawyer was suing every mfg for every leg injury that occured from any accident. He cited "unsafe design". Is this the kind of crap we want? I don't. If anyone is happy this is happening to Harley, sooner or later (bet on sooner) this will be happening to all the other mfgs. and then motorcycles can be as over-regulated as the auto industry.

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