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luvmyvfr 07-24-2002 12:16 PM

Re: Harley reports record second quarter
I knew it! The bubble was going to burst, all those "old riders" were going to die off and nobody is going to buy Harley anymore! Er, oh, um, what I mean is, uh, Hey! Way to go Harley! Good to hear they're doing so well, anxiously awaiting that V-Rod engine in future model bikes, too!


Poser 07-24-2002 01:01 PM

Re: Harley reports record second quarter

They think they are going to get 8.5% return on their pension funds. I wonder how they propose to do that. Also, they "sceuritized" a bunch of bike loans. I believe that really means they sold them. The buyer probably expects some kind of return. I wouldn't buy a bike loan, would you?

Who is their accountant. I would feel better if I knew it was not somebody like Anderson.

If all that money is real (and I hope it is), then maybe Harley Davidson could come up with an SV650 killer and sell me a bike one of these days.

KPaulCook 07-24-2002 01:51 PM

Time for Harley to invest in the next generation
As a Harley stock holder I am happy. However, as motorcyclist I say ....OK no more excuses invest money an engine for Mr Buell. How about a nice light (read no vrod engine) 90 degree V-Twin liquid cooled that puts out 100 horses or better and that can propel the Bolt and Lighting to Sub 11 second quarter miles. Give Buell an engine and watch sales to 20-40 year olds take off. Please Harley invest in the next generation. VRod was a good start and the Firebolt is almost there.

Huss 07-24-2002 02:19 PM

Re: Time for Harley to invest in the next generation
KTM is producing a fantastic V-Twin engine that makes power like the Japanese bikes but weighs much less. Harley's resources are far greater so they really should be able to do the same, if so inclined. As an aside, it's a shame that their financial windfall is not being used to improve quality. Before anyone gets mad at this blanket statement, Motorcycleconsumernews published a list this month of all the manufacturers, their recall history over the last few years and came up with a quality index. Lo and behold, who was bottom, even worse than Buell?.....

jmeyn 07-24-2002 03:52 PM

Re: Harley reports record second quarter
Hey, their pension funds are 95% invested in Harley Stock. What could be safer?

(kidding, please)

KPaulCook 07-24-2002 04:20 PM

Re: Harley reports record second quarter
LOL good one

DucButt 07-24-2002 04:26 PM

Re: Time for Harley to invest in the next generation
Is owning Harley stock better than owning a Harley? I think you're right for now, and I too think they are headed in the right direction. Perhaps I'll own both some day. I have comtemplated buying Ducati stock; perhaps if they really do build the new Supermono as rumored - AND if the 999 does well...

sarnali 07-24-2002 08:08 PM

Re: Harley reports record second quarter
what Harley needs to do is set more stringent price controls on thier dealers in regards to MSRP vs turn- you- upside- down-and shake prices, I like Harleys, jingoistic "THE MOTOR COMPANY" crap aside, I'm just to aware to pay a few grand over invoice for what are inferior machines by any objective criteria, and thank you, but I have a lifestyle already, I just like the bikes.

fwalters 07-25-2002 02:51 AM

Re: Harley reports record second quarter
Dear Harley,

Glad to hear you are doing so well financially.

Please spend some of your fortune building a winning Superbike. Some of us would like to see an American company rule AMA and FIM Superbike racing, and why shouldn't we? Do you realize that you could bring in hundreds of thousands motorcycle racing fans and help to improve the image of motorcycling and racing in the process?

Harley, you have the power to change and impove the motorcycle industry, but will you be a typical corporation and choke to death on your own profits, or will you move on to a higher plane?


Sleepless in the Saddle

longride 07-25-2002 05:16 AM

Re: Time for Harley to invest in the next generation
If you take "recall history" as an indicator of quality of products then you are sadly misled. The big four NEVER recall something unless they are forced to by some safety agency. Otherwise the new GoldWing would be recalled for an overheating problem that is constant, the Hayabusa would be recalled for the rear subframe breaking and starter clutch problems. The Hayabusa web site even has a petition for a recall on the subframe. I could name many more but I think I made my point. Harley at least owns up to a problem and fixes it. I would rather a company recall and fix something than act like it doesn't exist. The quality of a current Harley product isn't determined by recalls.

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