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Old 10-21-2001, 03:27 PM   #21
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Default Re: Things are getting stoopid

maybe the target market for the bike is rich women ;->
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Old 10-21-2001, 03:42 PM   #22
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Default THEY DON'T KNOW MATH!!!

Check out their buyer demographics:



45% have owned a motorcycle before

25% are first time buyers



Would you purchase a motorcycle from someone who doesn't understand that 70% is not the same as 100%?
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Old 10-21-2001, 07:03 PM   #23
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Default Re: "Performance First" and Nighthawks

Considering that a Nighthawk 750, single front disc, rear drum and all, generated one of the shortest stopping distances of all the bikes Das Motorrad ever tested, I wouldn't scoff too hard at it...



BTW, what is fundamentally wrong with drum brakes? Especially at the rear, where they are controlled with mechanical rod linkages that won't break like cables or leak like hydraulic lines?
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Old 10-22-2001, 03:51 AM   #24
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I haven't been on a Nighthawk, but I do ride a Shadow 600 (another Honda with a dual-piston front disc and rear drum) and I am very dissatisfied with the braking power on it. If the brakes on the Nighthawk are stronger and better, great--because by Shadow brakes are "good enough" for a 35 horsepower machine but not at all strong enough for 70hp.



As for the drum versus disc--I don't understand the mechanics involved, but I assumed that discs were stronger. Any mechanical engineers out there?
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Old 10-22-2001, 08:16 AM   #25
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Sez you. :Þ
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Old 10-22-2001, 10:19 AM   #26
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Perhaps they should. Not trying to be negative anyone personally here, but I'm consistantly amazed how every mainstream TV show about motorcycles profoundly omits the subject of racing when talking about Daytona. Considering the hangout got started there around races that are still put on by AMA and bring so much talent, it's almost like a conspiracy.
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Old 10-22-2001, 12:44 PM   #27
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Rigid Fury? How stupid can you get? You sure this isn't a promo for an X rated movie star?
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Old 10-22-2001, 06:50 PM   #28
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Well, I don't watch the other TV shows about Daytona either And honestly, though maybe I'm morally obliged to watch motorcycle racing, I really don't care. It doesn't hold my attention. I'm sure not everyone who enjoys a morning jog likes to hear about (or watch) Michael Johnson's latest sprinting victory, or Frank Shorter's marathon wins. Motorcycling is no different.



Though I understand the constant MOnews posts about racing are important to some people, I would leave this site if MO didn't stay primarily focused on street riding.
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Old 10-23-2001, 06:44 AM   #29
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Default Re: "Performance First" and Nighthawks

I'm not a mechanical engineer, but, if by "strength" you mean "braking force", then you don't understand the problem. You can lock up the wheel with a drum brake. How much more raw braking force do you want?



I'm not a brake expert either, but I think the superiorities of disc brakes have more to do with things like heat buildup, initial bite, the ability to hover near lock-up with out crossing the line, the ability to quickly recover from a lock-up, and things like that.



Of course, with motorcycles, factors like weight distribution, tires, size of tire contact patch, wheelbase, and suspension setup are all probably bigger factors than the brakes themselves (on today's motorcycles) when measuring braking performance. That's why you get many bikes that don't have the latest-and-greatest, top-shelf braking componentry at or near the top of the list.



Which isn't to say that brake components are irrelevant... I want all the braking performance I can get, and good brakes really are better than bad ones.
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Old 10-23-2001, 08:56 AM   #30
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Ride to freedom on a Rigid? They should change it to "Ride to the Chiropractor" or "Ride to the Proctologist" when your 'roids flair up from all the bung abuse...
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