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Old 03-19-2004, 09:36 AM   #41
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Default Re: Apparently the Manufacturers

Only a minority of riders make their purchases based upon who won the whatever racing series last year or whenever.



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Old 03-19-2004, 09:42 AM   #42
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Default Re: Ducati Profits........Or Not

>it would be really sad if our choices were limited to copies of racers, copies of 70's standards, or copies of 20's cruisers.<



And which of these, my friend, is the Honda Rune?
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Old 03-19-2004, 09:46 AM   #43
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Default Re: Performance Numbers and Reasoning are not why you pay more for a Duc

I totally agree. Price/performance is important to most people, but not to everyone, which is why BMW and Ducati (and Porsche and Ferrari) have stayed in business.



BMW expects customers to pay extra for reliability and ruggedness regardless of how the bikes look. They have a loyal following of riders willing to do so.



Ducati expects customers to pay extra for dramatic good looks. People were willing to do so for the 916 and Monster, but not for the 999 and MS.



Pretty bikes and naked bikes from other manufacturers haven't helped Ducati either.



Aprilia has never found the following that Ducati enjoys, I think due to the same problem that Ducati faces now: they're bikes aren't a good value and they don't have a style that speaks passionately to enough people to justify higher prices.
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Old 03-19-2004, 09:46 AM   #44
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Default Re: Actually, I think Aprilia is the bigger threat...

I believe the Aprilias are quite a bit quicker, too.
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Old 03-19-2004, 09:54 AM   #45
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Default Re: Motorcycle world needs Ducati

>Given $25,000 to spend on a motorcycle how many sport bike riders would chose anything but the 999S.<



I'll take an ZX-10 and $14k any day. Or just the ZX-10.



...or R1, or Gixxer, or CBRR.
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Old 03-19-2004, 09:58 AM   #46
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Default Re: Ducati Profits........Or Not

You're spot on.



The current designer just doesn't "get" Ducati. He tries to make Ducs more functional, yet that's not what the market wants from Ducati. If we wanted functional we'd buy Hondas or BMWs.
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Old 03-19-2004, 10:06 AM   #47
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Default Re: Ducati Profits........Or Not

wow, i sure don't think ducatis are ugly. quite the contrary. of course i'm old and i really dislike the speed-racer graphics on most japanese-built, two-wheeled zippo lighters.



the thing that turns me off regarding ducs is the alice-in-wonderland valve arrangement, which has got to be a nightmare to maintain. that and lingering concerns regarding reliability and longevity.
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Old 03-19-2004, 10:08 AM   #48
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Default Re: No insults, just the facts.

Is this based upon your extensive marketing research?



Thought so.







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Old 03-19-2004, 10:16 AM   #49
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I think his point is -- or at least my take on Ducs -- that if someone handed you one motorcycle, here you go, and it didn't have a price tag at all, many of us would really love a Ducati supersport over any CBGSZXRRR. They really are unique, beautiful bikes; that beatiful feline stance, roaring v-twin motor, svelte single-sided swingarm...



Oops. Wait. That was 5 years ago. Look at a '98 Duc 916(whichever displacement it was at the time), listen to it, and then look at a '98 Big Four literbike. Dunno about you, but I'm drooling over the Duc.



Now look at the '04 R1. And the 999. And tell me who's learned which lessons.

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Old 03-19-2004, 10:19 AM   #50
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Default Re: Performance Numbers and Reasoning are not why you pay more for a Duc

"" they're bikes aren't a good value and they don't have a style that speaks passionately to enough people to justify higher prices.""



Anyone else see the Tuono (and the new RSV, if they could just fix that RC-51 front face) changing this?



Anyone else found the Falco really, really lovely, and a decent price for a liter-twin-for-the-street? (My dealer was willing to part with his '03 Falcos for $8499 OTD)
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