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Old 03-19-2004, 11:08 AM   #41
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Default Re: No insults, just the facts.

Is this based upon your extensive marketing research?



Thought so.







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Old 03-19-2004, 11:16 AM   #42
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Default Re: Motorcycle world needs Ducati

I think his point is -- or at least my take on Ducs -- that if someone handed you one motorcycle, here you go, and it didn't have a price tag at all, many of us would really love a Ducati supersport over any CBGSZXRRR. They really are unique, beautiful bikes; that beatiful feline stance, roaring v-twin motor, svelte single-sided swingarm...



Oops. Wait. That was 5 years ago. Look at a '98 Duc 916(whichever displacement it was at the time), listen to it, and then look at a '98 Big Four literbike. Dunno about you, but I'm drooling over the Duc.



Now look at the '04 R1. And the 999. And tell me who's learned which lessons.

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Old 03-19-2004, 11:19 AM   #43
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Default Re: Performance Numbers and Reasoning are not why you pay more for a Duc

"" they're bikes aren't a good value and they don't have a style that speaks passionately to enough people to justify higher prices.""



Anyone else see the Tuono (and the new RSV, if they could just fix that RC-51 front face) changing this?



Anyone else found the Falco really, really lovely, and a decent price for a liter-twin-for-the-street? (My dealer was willing to part with his '03 Falcos for $8499 OTD)
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Old 03-19-2004, 11:22 AM   #44
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What can I say besides "Right on!"



The nail hath been smote on the head.
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Old 03-19-2004, 11:47 AM   #45
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Default Re: Ducati Profits........Or Not

I think you mean Bic lighters.



A Zippo is a classic.
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Old 03-19-2004, 12:22 PM   #46
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zippo, bic ... take yer pick.
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Old 03-19-2004, 12:54 PM   #47
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Nosajwols has Ducati pegged.



The Sport Classic models are a hopeful sign that the company hasn't completely lost its ability to do good styling. Now they need to fix the look of the rest of the lineup.
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Old 03-19-2004, 01:00 PM   #48
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Default Ferracci changes

This may have something to do with the fact that Fast by Ferracci up the way from Philly in Willow Grove recently started selling Yamahas. This is in addition to Guzzis, Agustas, the Benelli they have, Husqvarna and DUCATI.



When I asked the salesman about it, he said "How many people do you think can afford to buy one of these? We have to make money ..."



Hmmmm ...
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Old 03-19-2004, 01:44 PM   #49
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OK. i understand the whole "value for dollar" argument, but if that is really what we should be striving for, then shouldn't we all be riding 600's? Even MO has stated that most of us will see little improvement in our riding ability or "track times" by moving to litre class bikes. Additionally, there is a certain amount of value that one receives by buying something that is aesthetically pleasing to them regardless of the price/value ratio. Look how many buyers of Hummers and 20 inch chrome wheels there are...
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Old 03-19-2004, 02:00 PM   #50
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You can all gas on about all sorts of things on this topic but the bottom line is yes the bikes are horrid 3 dimensional abortions and yes Pierre is an idiot. If Massimo

would have designed the New SS and the new 999 there would be waiting lists and lines to buy these bikes and Ducati would sell every single one they made. That is it

end of story. Why do people go on about Pierre and defend him ? Get over it, he is a mistake and Yes the supermono was cool but that was about it.
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