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Old 03-21-2004, 03:34 AM   #91
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Old 03-21-2004, 03:44 AM   #92
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Default Re: Ducati Profits........Or Not

Not an expert. Hell, you're a shoe-in as winner of the next Iron Butt.
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Old 03-21-2004, 03:55 AM   #93
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Ive had modern Jap inline 4s and while they have been great bikes I intend to get a Ducati next.More than likely an S4R. Granted they don't have the straight line performance but the riding experience is different to that of bikes that sound like refined sewing machines. Id even settle for 85hp of Ducati than go back to 150 or more hp of vanilla icecream.
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Old 03-21-2004, 06:33 AM   #94
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Just think, if BMW had hired Terblanche instead of Ducati then he would be hailed as a savior that revolutionalized the ugliest bikes on earth.
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Old 03-21-2004, 07:02 AM   #95
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"v. smote

(smt), smit·ten

(smtn) or smote, smit·ing, smites

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To inflict a heavy blow on, with or as if with the hand, a tool, or a weapon."



I prefer "smote" -- smitten sounds like "in love."



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Old 03-21-2004, 07:20 PM   #96
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Default It's about style and style is out right now

I tend to think that most of the Ducatis are ugly as well, but that's very subjective. I know other people that think they look really innovative.



The selling point to Ducatis is the style. True you could get a Jap bike with better performance for less price, but if you care more about style you'll get a Duc. If style and labels didn't matter designer clothing wouldn't exist. (A lot of that designer junk is ugly, too)



Unfortunately the economy hasn't been too nice so people are going to want bang for the buck. BMW can get away with higher prices because performance was never their selling point - they've always been about comfort and reliability. Ducati's selling point is style and with the economy still limping style doesn't count for much.
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Old 03-21-2004, 07:48 PM   #97
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"Pre 97 Duck's were mostly hand built. Post 97 mass produced to insure profit and off course - LOWER QUALITY!"



You have not owned Duc's if you think the quality has gone down under TPG - They are much better than before. I owned a 95 916, and now an 01 748 - I've got over 10,000 miles on the 748 with no troubles at all; better than the 95, although that bike wasn't bad. The newer bike just works better, particularly the brakes.



I also donÂ’t understand the pretty/ugly argument. You canÂ’t see that much of the bike when your riding it, so who gives a crap. Do you like riding it?





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Old 03-22-2004, 05:12 AM   #98
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Um, "hand built" sounds nice but usually means "inconsistent build quality" and "Oops, Giancarlo forgot the swingarm bolt again. Mama mia!"



Modern manufacturing techniques are meant to improve quality. And they usually do.
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Old 03-22-2004, 06:44 AM   #99
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Default I got the main point, merely pointing out a flawed statement...

Did I object to the main point?



It bugs the hell out of me that Suzuki has such a good bike let down by lousy styling. And in the open sportbike market where the Japanese bikes now all have virtually equally stellar performance (which 99% of riders can never truly untilize anyway) styling is very important and often the biggest deciding factor in new bike purchases.



The R1 (and new Honda) will for this reason dominate this years sales.
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Old 03-22-2004, 08:04 AM   #100
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Default Re: Wha?...GSXR1000 looks better than a 999!!!!

>I find it difficult to differentiate the Japanese

>bikes from one another when viewed from

>any distance of greater than about 10 feet.



Thats right raddog. When I had a Royal Star, it looked exactly like my friend's GSX-R 750. We used to mix them up all the time until we found out that the red one was 25 cm longer than the blue one.



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