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Old 04-18-2007, 08:38 PM   #1
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Default Re: When to Use Rear Brake Only?

The heavier the bike and the lower teh center of gravity, the more rear brake can be used. Also, with a passenger, more rear brakes can be used for smoother stopping and less front end dive.



A good rule... the engineers aren't stupid, the size fo the brake is a good indicator of how hard it should be used. I beleive the rear brake surface area is less than 20% of the total braking surface.



When do I use only rear brake. At low speeds when trying to reduce the effects drivetrash lash at small throttle positions. I also mostly rear brake at low speed turns where the front brake can be grabby causing a loss of balance. Finally on loose surfaces I will favor the rear. For one reason, the rear tire is wider and therefore easier to control when sliding that the narrower front wheel.



For emergency stopping (I hate the term "panic stop". You never, ever panic on 2 wheels.) ... it's ALL front brake. Engine braking provides plenty of rear braking force... especailly on my BMW twin.
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:53 PM   #2
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"The heavier the bike and the lower teh center of gravity" wrong. The center of gravity refers to the way the weight is distributed. A bike could be top heavy thus have a higher center of gravity. In a emergency stop use both brakes.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:00 PM   #5
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And as socko here is an expert, all should listen to [i]IT
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:01 PM   #6
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Socko, re-read the first sentence. Then STFU on things you know nothing about.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:11 PM   #7
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Default kpaul crack pot braking theories.

Great Topic.



Yes I find that I can use the rear in a down hill curve (my favorite corkscrew) to settle the bike. MSF guys are right, you should use both brakes in an emergency stop. I am sure we are going to hear a lot old wives' tales from the GPTB now. I would love to have Matt Mladin comment on this topic. I saw an interview where he said the whole lean off the bike thing was not needed as much as in the old Kenny Robert days when the bikes and tires were crap. After that I started watching him after that. I noticed that him and Jamie Hacking didn't hang off as much as the backmarkers. It allowed them to get the back upright faster and get the gas back on...In addition the whole trailbraking front brake thing may be more of style rather than necessity. Troy Corser doesn't use it..He brakes then turns.. Sometimes I think motorcyclist are the most illogical folks in way. Sometimes I even use the back brake when I down shift and blip the throttle. Rather than to muck with the front brake.



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OK good point but weight by itself has nothing to do if I should use the back brake or not It's the distribution of weight of the bike. Also the heaver the bike the more stopping power is needed and in general heaver bikes and cars stop at longer distances than lighter bikes and cars. Please practice using both brakes. MSF says it's the fastest way to stop
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The MSF is never wrong; never has been, never will be.



Ever.



Not even a little bit.
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