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Old 04-19-2007, 12:35 PM   #91
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Default Re: Ok. Good tip.

I'd like to second that. Great site. Where did you find?

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Old 04-19-2007, 12:39 PM   #92
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Default Re: When to Use Rear Brake Only?

I'd like to add a note on gravel, dirt, or other low-traction situations. I ride off-road and MX, and have since I was a kid. In MX the front brake is just as important as on the street. At very low, beginner speeds, it's true that a hamfisted front brake will put you down, and a ham fisted rear brake (ham footed?) will put you into a nice brake slide. But up the pace, or the slope of the downhill, and it's all front brake all the time once again. Ricky Carmichael famously said of bike tuning to his factory mehcanics, "Give me more front brake, and I'll go faster." He knew that even in the dirt, the front brake is key.



In fact, traction is so low in the dirt that it really serves to amplify the lesson that the back brake is useless when you really need to slow down.



Of course, it is possible in very low traction situations to lock the front wheel and crash. However, the solution is not to use the rear brake only, but to slow down or use much gentler force on the front brake. Otherwise, there's no alternative but to crash because your rear brake certainly won't stop you either.



Example: I locked the front wheel in wet crosswalk paint when a pedestrian stepped out in front of me, and I crashed. Should I have used the back brake instead? If I had, I would have just slid into the pedestrian, or into the intersection, which would not have been a favorable outcome. Should I have let up on the front brake? Yes, but then I would not have stopped in time. Should I have been going slower? Yes, I should have. That was my real problem.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:49 PM   #93
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Well said. Very logical and you explain things clearly.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:53 PM   #94
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Default Wonder what Pete thinks?

He just came back from that class. Would love to hear what he thinks. I am sure Sean will just agree with the GPTB so he can get his beer bought for him.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:54 PM   #95
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LOL Good one
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:59 PM   #96
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Except in Utah they have you run over an object that you are more likely to encounter than a stick. Like a Remington .270 or maybe someone's 9mm that fell out of their pocket.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:13 PM   #97
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Default Re: When to Use Rear Brake Only?

i always use the rear only when i don't truly want to stop.



say i'm out of work, broke, and i need to file a healthy lawsuit. find yourself a lexus/mercedes/porsche, take aim, and use the rear brake only ...
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:19 PM   #98
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Default Re: When to Use Rear Brake Only?

"And use both brakes for emergency stops, no matter what: even if the back brake only adds ten percent, it's ten percent you could do with at that precise moment."



I disagree.



1. If I am using maximum braking on my Hayabusa I will not be getting even 10% from the rear, so the chance of getting the braking right without skidding the rear is near zero. Skdding the rear means I may fall even if I could have stopped, or I now can't make an avoidance swerve because I'm crossed up in a slide. Not worth it.



2. If I am using two brakes, I have to modulate two brakes correctly to avoid losing control. That's much harder when stopping in am emergency situation. I can react quicker and more accurately with a reflexive action to use the front brake only, and not even have to think about reaching or modulating a rear brake that, in reality, is doing almost nothing anyway.



3. Spending time worrying about skidding the rear takes concentration away from what I should be doing, which is modulating the front brake for maximum braking, and scanning for a way out in case I can't stop fast enough.



Lets face it, there isn't any time to 'think' in an emergency situation, and the less I have to do, the better I will be at what I NEED to do. I NEED to get on the front brake hard, and find a way out if I can't stop.



If all else fails, I'll 'lay er down' and call it a day.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:29 PM   #99
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Yep maybe we could spin this thread into a gun control thing.. Personally I think handguns should be illegal. Can't hunt with it.. All it does is kill people. Bet if hand guns and assault weapons were illegal that thing at VA Tech would have never happened.. Do the Utah troopers still have beehive decals on the side of their cars? That's what I remember we got arrested on I-70 for being in a car doing 140mph...
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:32 PM   #100
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Default And I want a Connie 1400... :)

Just because everyone needs a >150hp tourer...

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