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Old 03-04-2007, 06:18 PM   #21
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And, to clarify further, a difference in probability of 2% equals a difference in probabilty of 2%.
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:23 PM   #22
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10% of riders will crash and there is only a 20% chance of that happening. I'm sorry what data tweaking are you talking about?
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:28 PM   #23
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You stated that ,"One statistic that can be gleaned is that your chances of surviving a crash are 97% if you wear a helmet and 95% if you don't." The article did not say that...What it DID say was, "The researchers say that about 97 percent of motorcyclists involved in crashes since 2001 wore a helmet...Among helmetless bikers who crashed, 5 percent were killed"...So actually, 95% of the 3% who weren't wearing a helmet died, and 3% of the 97% of riders who WORE a helmet were killed...If you actually extrapolated these numbers, your chances of survival in this study would have been over 99% if you wore a helmet, and small enough if you didn't wear a helmet to conclude that those who don't wear helmets a) have death wishes, b) want to ride free and die free, or c) are morons.
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:38 PM   #24
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No, it's 66%!
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:40 PM   #25
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Nordberg has a 50/50 chance of living. However there is only a 20% chance of that.
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:40 PM   #26
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This whole thread turned into one big Yogi Berra quote.
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:46 PM   #27
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Mrs. Nordberg: Oh, my poor Nordberg! He was such a good man, Frank. He never wanted to hurt anyone. Who would do such a thing?



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Old 03-04-2007, 06:49 PM   #28
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Last paragraph: "... And, in motorcycle crashes involving other vehicles in which either the rider or vehicle driver had been drinking, the biker was under the influence of alcohol 70 percent of the time."



This is something I've noted as an issue where I live, mostly because all the watering holes draw the police looking for "gentlemen" on cruisers flexing their Miller High Life on the way home.



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Old 03-04-2007, 07:03 PM   #29
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Of those involved in crashes 97% wore a helmet. so, 97% are broken down further into column 1, the rest are in column 2. It looks like it removes my spaces so the columns look like shiat.



patient condition /Helmet /No Helmet

dead /3% /5%

f'd up bad /20% /30%

walking it off /54% /53%

keep racing /23% /12%
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Old 03-04-2007, 07:59 PM   #30
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falcosc are you the ex-MO intern from Seattle. Surely not, when I read the article I thought the main subject was the increase in accidents among the GPTB. [b][i]"[*]the number of motorcyclists 45 and older killed in crashes nearly quadrupled from 2001 to 2005 (the last year for which data is available).[*]Crashes among this age group increased more than 60 percent during that time, compared with a 6 percent drop in the number of crashes for younger motorcycle riders.
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